Bosch FlexidomeXT

[MetzLyov 0]

Data, call it what you will... I call it the way I see it... and by no means I mean any harm or disrespect, rather facts!

 

Levon

[cctv_down_under 0]

Actually metz, I totally agree with most of your points, however you have not been in this forum long, therefore you have only known my "sales pitch" as you called it for Bosch product.

 

On the contrairy, I have spoken out about a lot of products and have mentioned many products that I firmly believe to be excellent products, however this is long before you arrived.

 

I believe in being honest, I always am, and that is what makes me good at sales, I still believe Bosch makes the best full bodied cams in the world price per value, and I would have had that view even if I worked for Ganz or someone else.

 

I dont work for GE or DM, yet I rave about these products, nor do I work for Panasonic or Pelco or Baxhaul or Sony or Axis, however I rave about them as well.

 

I validate your point but if I know mostly Bosch product then this is what I feel safe in recommending to people as I know the technology, I also used to Distribute Ganz and Geovision so I feel safe in voicing my opinion on these products as well and I have tried most products in the market so I feel it is important to impart my knowledge, no matter whom I work for.

 

My point is you do not know the history between Rory and I , we always used to argue about PC VS Standalone and this sparked some sort of trigger in Rory to always say the opposite of what I say, and as we are the two biggest posters in here, it has developed into a bit of an annoyance, It"s funny that bosch mainly sells standalones and yet my views haven't changed.

 

Enthusiasm can sometimes be misconstrued as SALES, but I do validate your points and therefore I think I will remove myself from this forum.

It is clear that you would prefer Manufactorers reps to stay in the background and only voice their views when needed and I can respect that, however please keep in mind that I have not always been a Manufactorers rep and I was here when this site first started with 5 or so members so I guess my situation of input was different to most Reps.

 

I agree that it is dangerous to even be a rep and be in this forum and as you say, the competition watches this forum, so I am better to stay out of it.

I have never been a very modest person, if I have an opinion I am always going to voice it, as for constructive critisism, i am not sure about that, i think i handle that well, I am leaving now, and respect your input..I do not think i can be any more aware of critisism and reacting to it than that.

 

This forum has been excelent and after 1710 posts it might be time to go, I congratulate Larry on his achievement but warn Metz that these sites are expensive to set up and run, eventually it will get commercialised, that is inevitable.

 

A forum should be just that.. a forum ..an open place to speak you mind, whether your passive or aggressive ..a salesperson or a tech head a forum should be a place where you have freedom of speech in my opinion and if manufactorers reps get involved then all good to them, infact I would think it would be positive to have them onboard and to learn from their expertise.

 

I havent made my mind up to leave yet but I think that I probably will, so thanks for showing me the light. To hermy and Thomas and all the Gang, thanks for your advice, your patience and your friendship.

[DataAve 0]

WHAT? No more CCTV_Australia and the rory show? Don't you go anywhere, mate.

[MetzLyov 0]

Our friend in Australia (I wish that I knew your real name), if I had known that you would take this matter this seriously and this close to your heart, I would not have made any comments and I very much apologize for it!

 

You are correct, I am new in this forum and I jointed it October last year. I will never intend to have anyone leave this forum under any circumstance if my comments are so harsh or offends anyone...

 

I am very sorry for calling things the way I see them. I have and always will call the spade a spade and that is my character and that is how I always have been in my entire career, and I know that I will not change no matter what! I never shown any bias to any specific manufacturer, rather shown every manufacturer's advantages and disadvantages and believe me, I had few to call me and telling me to cool off, but that will never happen.

 

So, I have a proposal for you! Please do not leave this forum. I never judged anyone's position in this forum based on when they joined, but I guess seniority does matter. I was not sure when you started and never made a point to check. However your contributions are essential to the structure of this forum and expertise that is necessary to sustain and to grow. I firmly believe that you are a great value to this forum and my suggestion is for you to stay.

 

Instead, I am leaving for good and I do not have to think twice about it. I do not ever want to put anyone in the spot, whether if such person is wrong or may be out of line nor want anyone to feel bad about anything they say or do. I know you, Herm, Rory, Data and many others are a great team and really keep this forum together. I just can not accept the fact that I have to second guess for any comments that I may have to make nor ever will!

 

Again, very sorry for any inconvenience that I may have caused you. This is my last 519th post and I wish everyone the best life can offer, a good health and great business ventures...

 

Levon Postachian

[DataAve 0]

MetzLyov, where are you going? No one is going no where. Let us thicken our skins a bit.

[MetzLyov 0]

Data, I am sorry man... this is done! I am a man of integrity and I never wish to cause anyone any harm intentionally or otherwise... Best of luck to you my friend and hope to see you in the CCTV Arena in the future!

 

Levon Postachian

[DataAve 0]

The professional sales peeps you 2 are, work it out!

[cctv_down_under 0]

I have no idea what is going on here, Levon, you did not offend me, not by any stretch of imagination.

 

I agree that I sound like I try to sell, My ONLY valid point is that I do that for every product...not just Bosch, I am passionate about it hell 1700 odd posts prooves that point, CCTV is my life and I have done it from back in the day whan I used PC Anywhere and a quad unit to make a DVR, you did NOT and I repeat DID NOT offend me in any way, in fact the reason I wish to leave is because you are indeed correct.

 

A manufactorers rep should not be in this forum, you never know to whom you may be speaking to and I do not wish to have my thoughts to be thought of as Bosch thoughts, everytime someone mentions that I work for them, I cringe, in all honesty it is a risk, to be an "honest rep" and work for a manufactorer and also be involved in a forum.

 

But I have been here since it's inception and you have missed some much bigger doosey's than this one, thats for sure, Rory and I are famous for disagreeing, part of me thinks he likes it that way.

 

I dont have direct need to leave, but I think it may be a wise choice in the end, besides, work is getting very busy at the moment, I may come back one day as an anon user that way my views are only my own.

 

Mate you did not offend me in any way, I think you don't know me well enough to undertsand that I also promote a lot of other products and if something stinks in the house then I am first to admit it..which I assume goes against company policy.

 

My decision to leave (maybe not permanant) is a decision that I had already thought a lot about, it is not professional to be arguing with rory all the time so it does not look good for the company name...

 

I just want everyone to know that I ONLY promote what I firmly believe in, no matter if i sell it or not, and my leaving this forum has nothing to do with anyone and is more due to my proffesional position than anything else.

 

I agree manufactorers reps should not be biased and maybe they should not be in forum, but no one knows the products better than these people and quite often they research competitiors products as well, so they should be leant a lengthy ear.

 

I have seen many posts by Rory and others posting links to products so i do not think I was alone in doing this, it probably looked worse because Bosch has more products in more areas therefore I was only ever promoting one Brand rather than say Wiz Kid, Extreeme and GE so it probably looked a lot worse than it was.

 

I am glad you joined the forum levon, you have an electronics background that is needed here and you know the value of good higher end products, over the time I have been here I have seen a lot of lower end product sold, and yes big name reps wont mention their products because of these reasons, but the price has dropped on many major manufactorers and we want to see the public get better equipment than cheap crap, it's not about another sale for Bosch or Pano etc It's about improving the quality of work in our industry so that we as proffesionals can get more work and a better reputation.

 

I will leave with this one last message..

 

I have and everyone else has seen the price of CCTV fall in the last few years, the margins have shrunk and more manufactorers sell direct than ever before, wehn I started you had to order like 50 Geo Cards and 100's of cameras just to import.

 

As this price drops, the installers price will also drop, therfore it may be acurate to say that more than 50% more new players are in the industry therefore a much more competitive market and it is shifting towards IT (an area famous for operating from low margin), the bottom line is this.

 

Less margin = a need for more volume...more volume = a need for more support and more support = a loss of income, so clearly with a need for less failure and less support and more quantity comes a need for higher quality and the ability to justify a more expensive price, reliabilty and quality and justification for pricing only comes with reputable brands.

 

I have been in the game a long time now and as a wholesaler we see the companies come and go, you can survive if you diversify or you can survive if you provide quality product, hence why I think memnegrs of this forum should look much closer at name branded products if they wish their business to succeed!

 

Chaio all!!

[qman 0]

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[Titan4 0]

Apologies for knowing little about this forum as I found it during a google search for Bosch LTC 1461/20 cameras. I see that this thread is about 5 years old and I do not even see the part that returned on the google search, but I will post my question here anyway.

 

I am involved in a business venture in Florida where we converted a bank to a sports bar and grill. Amongst many of the nice things the bank left behind (no vault full of money though!) were several Bosch LTC 1461/20 security cameras. They did not leave any of the video equipment however. I would like to use one of these video cameras during our radio shows that we will be hosting. The camera will simply be pointed at the people doing that actual radio show. The camera's video would simply be distributed and made available to any of the 48 TV's we have. Most people would not need the video since they will be able to see the people doing the show from their tables, but the people around the corner and out on the deck will not be able to see. For this reason we would like to have it available on the in-house TV screens. We already have satellite and cable feeds to each TV, as well as having internet to each TV for webcasts and such. The internet display to the TV's is via a series of S-Video distribution amplifiers. What I would like to do is to simply use the Bosch camera's video output to feed the S-Video distribution system. I bought an adapter to take the BNC Composite Video camera output and convert it to S-Video (http://www.svideo.com/svideobnc1.html). It is on order, so I have not tried it out yet. Hopefully it will work. I plan on powering the camera with a simple 12 Vdc adapter. I am not sure if BNC Composite Video is the same as the Composite Video associated with RCA type plugs and jacks, but even so we would still prefer to use S-Video since all of that cabling has been routed to each TV.

 

Since I no experience with CCTV cameras I thought I would check with you folks here to see if this would work or is there something that I am overlooking?