What Would You Say to This Guy? (Blah blah blah part 2)

[rory 0]

Can you program it to give me 1080P video

Can you program the 1080P camera to see more in low light??

 

Yes I can

Lets see the screenshot or youtube video plz .. we wanna learn .. after all .. we are not all software developers .. tanks

[thewireguys 3]

 

How? And I dont mean slowing down the video

 

We always can get Megapixel/HD cameras to see better in low light but you will NEVER get more then D1 out of a analog camera

[rory 0]

We always can get Megapixel/HD cameras to see better in low light

With a firmware update?? How??? Learn us plz.

[rory 0]

 

How? And I dont mean slowing down the video

 

We always can get Megapixel/HD cameras to see better in low light but you will NEVER get more then D1 out of a analog camera

physical restriction.

sell $10 analog camera and buy US $100 1080p camera.

[dvarapala 0]

actually the "analog" camera has a firmware too, since it is actually digital, so it COULD be updated.

 

Not through the coax. If you could update the firmware at all, you would have to take the camera down and plug a JTAG programmer into it. IP cameras can be updated in place over the Ethernet.

 

you missed the point though, technology changes every day, so that IP camera, firmware or not, could be outdated the next day. With "analog" camera, as long as there is something with BNC connectors, its going nowhere, and it has proven that for a number of decades now

 

So by your logic a Ford Model T is superior to a Porsche.

 

Sure, an IP camera could be outdated the next day, but an analog cam is outdated from the moment you buy it.

[dvarapala 0]

I still havent got my popcorn emocticon I requested.

 

[rory 0]

Sure, an IP camera could be outdated the next day, but an analog cam is outdated from the moment you buy it.

The computer you use to record the video from the IP camera was outdated a couple months before you bought it

[rory 0]

actually the "analog" camera has a firmware too, since it is actually digital, so it COULD be updated.

 

Not through the coax. If you could update the firmware at all, you would have to take the camera down and plug a JTAG programmer into it. IP cameras can be updated in place over the Ethernet.

 

Nah you dont say .... COULD was in caps for a reason.

I dont think anyone was disputing whether an IP device can be updated over, IP, its something I do almost daily.

[ljarrald 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

[rory 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

Why does Windows need to be updated?

[mike_va 0]

CNB is actually set at a faster shutter speed, P1344 is at 1-30s. Lit up by a Raytec.

Edited January 24, 2012 by Guest

[mike_va 0]

also nice that I can cover the top of the culdesac for daytime plate capture with one 3MP camera (Pan 502, go for about $200 used on ebay). partial shot attached

[dvarapala 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

 

Bug fixes, new features, etc. - the same reasons as any other software package.

[dvarapala 0]

actually the "analog" camera has a firmware too, since it is actually digital, so it COULD be updated.

 

Not through the coax. If you could update the firmware at all, you would have to take the camera down and plug a JTAG programmer into it. IP cameras can be updated in place over the Ethernet.

 

Nah you dont say .... COULD was in caps for a reason.

 

And yet you conveniently forgot to include that important little detail in your comeback.

[mike_va 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

Aside from bugs that all software has, they sometimes add new features. No unlimited budget for testing. For example Axis recently made it possible for some of their cameras to write to NAS. The other thing is if you let engineers "perfect" it, it would become non-shippable product. Or by the time they've perfected it they've thought of six other things they should add.

 

However, I will never forgive Linksys for shipping me a router that did NOT WORK until I updated the FW.

 

Even the analog cams probably had problems, and some could be updated. I think Bosch has a method of doing this. However, they are much simpler systems (in terms of what they can do) also so they had a better chance of getting it right.

[rory 0]

 

Nah you dont say .... COULD was in caps for a reason.

 

And yet you conveniently forgot to include that important little detail in your comeback.

What on earth are you talking about homeboy.

[rory 0]

Even the analog cams probably had problems, and some could be updated. I think Bosch has a method of doing this. However, they are much simpler systems (in terms of what they can do) also so they had a better chance of getting it right.

I found that the CNB domes I purchased came with 3 different firmware versions in a single order.

[mike_va 0]

Another example, the P3344 I have above the garage door (~1/4 of the image). As emailed by VitaminD (hence the yellow box denoting person not object). I also use Axis Camera Station to do continuous recording video AND audio. Do I really want 4 cameras on the front of the house to get good resolution? I can tell you the HOA probably does not. I'm already probably pushing it with a P3346 (playing with) and a P3344. Can I make out plates with this? Not beyond the end of the driveway (but analog would be worse). Do I have enough pixels to get a great shot of anyone that tries to remove a package from the front step? Yep. Also I have other cameras (covert) that capture plates at the top of the culdesac (earlier).

 

Also, converting it to IP has made it SO much easier to review events with VitaminD than with any DVR. I'm really not sure why VitaminD has not caught on more, in my mind they have nailed it with the interface. Runs like a champ with 14 cams on an I7. Yeah, it costs me $20 a month to run in electricity. My time reviewing events is worth that. Perfectly happy running another 8 channels of ACS, brings it up to 30-35% usage.

 

Axis also has provided me with top notch support on questions. Will I pay more for quality and support. Yep.

 

On the other hand the Walmart does not mind deploying probably over a dozen cameras on just the parking lot in front of the store! Looks like a prison.

 

Having said that I've found anything above 3MP to be of little use in varying lighting, since they do not have adequate dynamic range let alone the hassle/money of finding lenses. Not to mention frame rate limitations on multiple streams. Note, I do have analog day/night around the sides as overview cameras, but still use MP to get the detail at the choke points.

 

As soon as price drops a bit on good day night MP though that (Bosch 495, 620 etc) is all going on ebay or in the dumpster.

Edited January 24, 2012 by Guest

[mike_va 0]

I'll provide another example. I repositioned the P3344 and it was not switching correctly to day night. Might have been picking up lights from the neighbors or Christmas lights, whatever. Sent them pics, they escalated the case and sent me new firmware. Works PERFECT.

 

Now, let's take the CNB - no one (myself included) likes the level they switch at. Or how about the KTC2000DN or Sanyo VCC4594 - both decent cameras that seem happy to attempt switching to day night over ten times. Hysteresis...anyway there is no fixing that.

[ljarrald 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

Why does Windows need to be updated?

 

so that within 3 years the clueless end user buys a whole new setup because the old install has become so painfully slow.

 

hoorah for linux

[rory 0]

forgive my ignorance but why does an ip cam need to be updated?

Why does Windows need to be updated?

 

so that within 3 years the clueless end user buys a whole new setup because the old install has become so painfully slow.

 

hoorah for linux

 

In most cases it was painfully slow from day one because they bought some branded PC loaded down with programs that were all set to start up .. Next thing you know they are installing games and office 2010 and a dozen browser toolbars, and Nortons and 10 other anti viruses none of which they even need because the whole issue from day one was they bought the cheapest PC they could buy, eg. a celeron 1.6 with 256MB ram then loaded it down with crap they would never even use in a lifetime . and not to mention their HDD already is on the way out because they never used a line conditioner

 

Now back to Linux .. lets remember that Linux also has a billion updates

[ljarrald 0]

lets remember that Linux also has a billion updates

 

true but i have been using linux on my personal laptop for 7 months and it still runs like it did when freshly installed.

 

even when free hard drive space got down to 100MB it worked smoothly

[rory 0]

lets remember that Linux also has a billion updates

 

true but i have been using linux on my personal laptop for 7 months and it still runs like it did when freshly installed.

 

even when free hard drive space got down to 100MB it worked smoothly

I run XP on my computers for years and it still works smoothly.

I have dozens of clients that experience the same, in fact that is a problem because I fix it so good, they never have problems. Its rare now but get the odd call about low disk space, system still runs great though.

 

I have made XP installs under 200MB, using under 40MB memory, and that runs MS office and even 64 way remote video, running on slow SSD or even SD cards. XP is the best OS ever, no contest. Just have to know how to setup and build it properly, then the end user just uses it and unless the manually screw it up as an admin, then thats their fault - but you could always make them a user, like with Linux.

[Soundy 1]

lets remember that Linux also has a billion updates

 

true but i have been using linux on my personal laptop for 7 months and it still runs like it did when freshly installed.

 

even when free hard drive space got down to 100MB it worked smoothly

And I have six-year-old Windows 2000-based Vigil DVRs out in the field that still run just fine, too - no network connections, no updates needed, other than cleaning out the dust periodically, they just keep chugging along.

 

Edit: ^Agree (mostly) with rory (I know, scary, right?) - I don't know if XP is the "best OS ever", but there's really no reason it can't be as solid and stable as anything else out there, IF it's set up properly. The problem is, most versions of Windows by default try to be the "everything to everyone" solution and install tons of services and features you don't need... which is often compounded by pre-built systems that load on tons of other apps and tools and demos and other crap that has no place on a DVR. Strip away all the junk and the pretty face (ie. turn off all the fancy GUI tweaks), and most NT-based versions of Windows (2000/XP/7, even NT itself) are perfectly reliable on even minimal hardware.

[fa chris 0]

I used the same installation of winxp for my daily computer for 8 years (migrated the harddrive from computer to computer). I never even ran a virus scanner, had a small free firewall and no other protection. Did plenty of surfing, installed/uninstalled lots of programs, etc. and never had an issue.

 

I had another XP installation on a server which had an uptime of over a year before I rebooted it, it wasn't connected to the net so I wasn't worried about updates. Never understood how people could have problems with XP, it's a solid OS.

 

Nowadays I'm on win7 (and looooooooove it), have a virus scanner and web browser, and do all my browsing in sandboxie in vmware. Guess I'm getting paranoid in my old age.

 

 

edit: also, always had my services tweaked on XP so it ran great.