rory 0 Posted January 25, 2012 And another: Mordachia, I mean rory, your contempt for females is one thing, but contempt for the idea of viable competition is another. Can anyone direct me to an alternative CCTV ***** please. There was one in the UK, but I lost the site address and have been unable to find it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shockwave199 0 Posted January 25, 2012 Can anyone direct me to an alternative CCTV ***** please. There was one in the UK, but I lost the site address and have been unable to find it. You know I looked around a great deal for forums on cctv, originally last year. There was really only this one and another, mostly dead forum. I'm a member of many forums, as well as an administer of my own. My opinion, this is a really good forum. It has different levels of skilled people and a number of diverse opinions, from diy'rs like me weighing in what I can from my own experiences, right or wrong, and pro installers to help set the record straight when needed. And mostly, the crap storms are minimal- but even THAT kind of thread can yield great info- much like this thread. You can try, but I doubt you'll find a more active forum than this one on the subject of cctv, for better or for worse. And this one appears to be getting more popular all the time. Grab some popcorn. You'll be sandbagging even if you never post another thought. We know it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 That would be okay, but I have had a problem with one freak on this site for some time now. I have had many arguments with Soundy especially, but he never stalked me and never made personal attacks. You don't know this, but the bloke who runs this site removes posts and comments that are inconvenient to him. I told him to stop stalking me a while back and he actually removed that sentence. You can also tell by his little song and dance routine and his comments about 'getting out of the kitchen'. I have basically asked him to F%#$ off a few times but he can't get it through his thick misogynistic racist head. So I say again, any alternatives and I will be out of here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shockwave199 0 Posted January 25, 2012 I read a lot of stuff here. I've only ever seen moderation a few times with a trimmed thread or locked threads. I must have missed what you're talking about. Perhaps post a thread in the bench test forum to get a link to other cctv forums. You're request won't be seen by many in this thread. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 I looked into the problem of heat affecting PTZs TWO YEARS AGO and barely got a reply.Then I found that Pelco (A BIG BRAND) had quietly identified significant issues with its PTZ at high temperatures. I wish I had posted that document which revealed Pelco's grave concerns about PTZs installed in locations above 120 degrees Fahrenheit. No such discussion had ever occured on this forum. Maybe nobody here ever had a problem with one? Or nobody who had a problem with one never bothered asking about it here? What does this have to do with anything? Rory, you nit-pick with your rebuttals - always trying to find scope for another sledging. I have researched a number of specific expensive brand name components on this site and have come up empty handed. Part of the problem may be the search solution; the other part may be that the items, components or problems are not mentioned on this site. So, mention them. Nobody is getting paid here. Larry gets a little bit from the Partners to keep the hosting paid for and the site running. Other than that, it's something we all do in our spare time. There are a few manufacturer reps who stop by now and then, not always tech support personnel, but they tend to be the exception, and there are specific rules about any selling or marketing of products here. Soundy, I had this argument with you over a year ago about generic components inside brand name cameras. Your long Arecont topic seems to support the claims that I made back then. I have come across many examples of big companies simply sticking their numbers on another generic part. I don't even know aht the argument is with this. Maybe it's to do with your definition of 'generic'. I'm not sure what your point is here? You stated that there was no discussion of issues with "major brands"... I linked specifically back to my Arecont rant thread (and Arecont IS a major player in the IP market). There's an entire subforum dedicated to GeoVision, which is a very big name in PC-based DVRs, particularly among the DIYers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Can anyone direct me to an alternative CCTV ***** please. There was one in the UK, but I lost the site address and have been unable to find it. You know I looked around a great deal for forums on cctv, originally last year. There was really only this one and another, mostly dead forum. I'm a member of many forums, as well as an administer of my own. My opinion, this is a really good forum. It has different levels of skilled people and a number of diverse opinions, from diy'rs like me weighing in what I can from my own experiences, right or wrong, and pro installers to help set the record straight when needed. And mostly, the crap storms are minimal- but even THAT kind of thread can yield great info- much like this thread. You can try, but I doubt you'll find a more active forum than this one on the subject of cctv, for better or for worse. And this one appears to be getting more popular all the time. I'd have to agree with you there... I look around now and then for other forums (there's even a thread about links to other forums: viewtopic.php?t=14359)... most of them seem to come and go and are mostly dead; I don't think I've found any that have even a quarter the steady traffic this one does. There are a number of others dedicated to things like home theater, alarm systems, and so on, that pay a passing nod to CCTV, with the odd post dealing mostly with cheap "package" systems. The next closest thing you'll probably find is LinkedIn, but finding the USEFUL forums among all the noise is tricky at best, and most of those are "open" forums and overrun with all sorts of spam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Soundy wrote: Maybe nobody here ever had a problem with one? How could 'nobody ever have had a problem with one' if Pelco wrote a report on the problem. What? IS Pelco going to write a report on a problem that doesn't exist?s Soundy wrote: "What does this have to do with anything?" This entire thread is not about 'better cameras' it is about Heat Affecting Cameras. That is all I wrote about until the STALKER started up again. Soundy wrote: "I'm not sure what your point is here? You stated that there was no discussion of issues with "major brands"... " I did not say 'every major brand' did I? You are responding to a later comment I made about generic components and then attributing that to earlier remarks I made about major brands. They are two separate observations. The fact is - as I said a year ago - that even the most reputable manufacturer uses generic parts. The word 'generic' is not interchangeable with the word 'junk'. The Japanese have relied on tiny generic producers for over a century to supply a multitude of parts for every conceivable product they make. No manufacturer manufacturers all their components by themselves. The problem has never been about the 'generic'. The problem as I spelled out last year is in identifying the generic producers. Honeywell has been a master at doing just this. Edited January 25, 2012 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 rory repeats the idea of going to an alternative forum BUT, if you dare mention or discuss any alternative forums then rory will intervene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Soundy wrote:Maybe nobody here ever had a problem with one? How could 'nobody ever have had a problem with one' if Pelco wrote a report on the problem. What? IS Pelco going to write a report on a problem that doesn't exist?s You're not reading: I said, "Maybe nobody HERE ever had a problem with one.", and that's why you don't see anyone posting about it HERE. And I never claimed a problem didn't exist... but AFAIK, Pelco doesn't actively seek out forums to post about their problem. And so there's been no discussion of it HERE other than your brief mention of it long ago. "I'm not sure what your point is here? You stated that there was no discussion of issues with "major brands"... " I did not say 'every major brand' did I? I didn't say you did. You are responding to a later comment I made about generic components and then attributing that to earlier remarks I made about major brands. Ummm... I don't see you mentioning anything about "generic components" in THIS thread. You're delving back into posts from over a year ago that I haven't looked at in just as long. Specifically, you said, "Problems that arise on major brands are barely touched on this forum.", to which I simply noted that there certainly IS such discussion, and linked to my own thread about my problems with Arecont, and then followed up with "Or maybe it's the simple fact that "major brands" don't HAVE nearly as many problems as the cheap no-name offshore junk, and that's part of WHY they're "major brands"?" Nowhere did I claim that "major brands" (I put that in quotes because different people have different ideas of what constitutes a "major brand"), including Pelco, have NO problems... only that they don't have anywhere near as many problems as the cheap brands, which might account for why they're considered the "major brands", as well as why you don't see as much discussion of their issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 rory repeats the idea of going to an alternative forum BUT, if you dare mention or discuss any alternative forums then rory will intervene. I linked to a thread discussing this very topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Soundy wrote: Specifically, you said, "Problems that arise on major brands are barely touched on this forum.", That would depend on what anyone is looking for: There must be about 1 million Spectras sold. There must be a community of people who fix them. Last time I checked, there were only a few hundred posts for the entire realm of the Spectra: 451 posts vs 1,000,000 Spectras in operation. I posted a topic a few days ago about a Panasonic camera which hardly shows up in searches. So far no replies. I have also looked into other specific cameras and there is little to find. I looked for Pelco parapet mounts recently and found nothing. I just typed in 'Ultrastar" and found two posts - one of them was mine. Perhaps the stuff I look into is just a little too esoteric. Soundy wrote: Fiona wrote:Soundy wrote: Quote: Maybe nobody here ever had a problem with one? How could 'nobody ever have had a problem with one' if Pelco wrote a report on the problem. What? IS Pelco going to write a report on a problem that doesn't exist?s Again this supports my point. IF nobody HERE ever had a problem with one, then it stands to reason that the vast Pelco community of specialists, enthusiasts and technicians do not appear on this forum. Whether you like it or not, Pelco is a major brand PLAYER in PTZ domes. Where else would you expect to find such discussions? Tell me please? Edited January 25, 2012 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 DOH! I might have to stand corrected. The bottom third of your original post is clipped out, far as I can tell. It only showed when I quoted to repsond. It's some sort of auto-censor thing... I edited the URL and the rest came back... had to fully spell out the site name for it to show up. Odd thing, considering there's an entire thread dedicated to "other forums" elsewhere... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shockwave199 0 Posted January 25, 2012 All happened within a minute- I saw it was back so I edited out my post cause I thought it was ME who was losing it! Anyway.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shockwave199 0 Posted January 25, 2012 Wasn't this thread really about motion sensing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Soundy wrote: Specifically, you said, "Problems that arise on major brands are barely touched on this forum.", That would depend on what anyone is looking for: There must be about 1 million Spectras sold. There must be a community of people who fix them. Last time I checked, there were only a few hundred posts for the entire realm of the Spectra: 451 posts vs 1,000,000 Spectras in operation. So what's your point? I'm still not clear on what you're getting at with this - that the whole place is irrelevant because nobody talks about these things? Maybe there are some legitimate reasons for that: - People who fix them don't hang out here. - Despite them having known problems, those problems are few and far between. - Most people who post here are looking for lower-cost solutions and Spectra IVs are at the higher end of the price spectrum. I posted a topic a few days ago about a Panasonic camera which hardly shows up in searches. So far no replies. Again, what's the point? - Maybe nobody is familiar with that camera - Maybe nobody HAS an answer for you - Maybe the people who have the answer haven't seen your question This isn't a paid tech support forum. The people who help here, do so on their own free time, of their own good will. We don't spend all day browsing for new posts, and don't always have the time to read every question. Some people always check the "New Posts" link, some just look in on subforums that interest them. If you're unhappy with the response, you can always ask for your money back. I have also looked into other specific cameras and there is little to find. I looked for Pelco parapet mounts recently and found nothing. I just typed in 'Ultrastar" and found two posts - one of them was mine. Perhaps the stuff I look into is just a little too esoteric. Well, you can complain about it... or you can DO something about it. Post about the esoteric stuff. Recommend it for solutions where it might fit. Participate more, share your knowledge, and maybe more people will learn about this stuff. Again, we're all doing this on our own free time; we're not beholden to anyone's demands for content. You'll find very little about Vigil DVRs before I started posting here, but they're the ones I deal with 99.9% of the time, so you'll find me posting most often about them and very little about competing products. If I leave, then there will once again be very little mention of them. Doesn't make it an "esoteric" system, just means that nobody HERE deals with them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 All happened within a minute- I saw it was back so I edited out my post cause I thought it was ME who was losing it! Anyway.... Heheh... took me four tries to word the thing in a way that the auto-censor wouldn't nuke it. I don't think there should be any issue with people checking out that site - maybe at one time it was direct competition for this one, but not anymore; like I said, as far as traffic and activity, it doesn't hold a candle to this place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) Soundy wrote: - Most people who post here are looking for lower-cost solutions and Spectra IVs are at the higher end of the price spectrum. Where in this thread did I specifically mention Spectra IVs? Soundy wrote: Again, we're all doing this on our own free time; we're not beholden to anyone's demands for content. Who demanded what content? I made a simple observation. Edited January 25, 2012 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted January 25, 2012 https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+cctv+forum+Spectra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Soundy wrote: - Most people who post here are looking for lower-cost solutions and Spectra IVs are at the higher end of the price spectrum. Where in this thread did I specifically mention Spectra IVs? The old thread you keep bringing up was specifically about Spectra IVs. But fine... Spectras in general tend to be at the higher end of the cost spectrum, and most people asking about PTZs here don't want to pay that premium... that's probably part of the reason you don't see a lot of results for the term. EDIT: Funny, but for as much as you complain about Rory's nit-picking, you're sure doing a lot of it yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 What old thread? I have hardly ever said a word about Spectra IVs and I can't remember the last time I asked a question about them. I am just as interested in the IIs and the IIIs. The parapet mount is an example. This is not specifically designed for a IV but will take all Spectras back to the IIs (as far as I know). And when I investigate any item, I always provide clear information and website addresses to make it useful for those who come along. Soundy wrote: If I leave, then there will once again be very little mention of them. Well don't forget to tell me where you are going - if you leave, that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted January 25, 2012 Bosch http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+bosch GE http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+ge panasonic http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+pana samsung http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+samsung axis http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+axis arecont http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+arecont Mobotix http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+mobotix Pelco http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:cctvforum.com+pelco etc .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koolmer 0 Posted January 25, 2012 Honestly, I have just read through the entire thread and to me it looks like Fiona is picking on rory and not the other way around. This is getting quite childish though. I wonder what happened to the guy with the heat and motion problem... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiona 0 Posted January 25, 2012 1. You are not aware of the history behind this bloke's behaviour. 2. You are not aware that I have told him to $#%@% off before this. 3. I do not want him anywhere near me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mavrik 0 Posted January 25, 2012 3. I do not want him anywhere near me. Fiona, there is a nifty feature that allows you to block members from your view, try that. I feel sorry for harley1, instead of answers, ended up getting a rant thread. I want to see if harley1 came up with some solutions. For a reminder; video noise, false triggers and heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
