Are there any budget IP cameras feasible for my requirements

[buellwinkle 0]

The camera you are looking at, the HDB3200C is a day only camera, meaning it has a permanent IR filter, meaning you can't use it with IR light.

[JF1980 0]

The camera you are looking at, the HDB3200C is a day only camera, meaning it has a permanent IR filter, meaning you can't use it with IR light.

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

Does that mean it is only really suitable for day use (or with permanent lighting during night)? Or does anyone with experience of this particular camera know how it will respond to use of PIR floodlights and being in relative darkness the rest of the time. The biggest concern is false motion detection when in the dark due to artefacts. I could probably live with 5-6 seconds of washed out image as it adjusts to changes in ambient light.

 

The only other option appears to be waiting for the 2MP mini bullet from Dahua and hoping it comes in at a similar price

[buellwinkle 0]

Does that mean it is only really suitable for day use (or with permanent lighting during night)?

 

Yes, hence the bargain price. The 2MP mini bullet will be slightly higher, maybe $30-35 more.

[JF1980 0]

Does that mean it is only really suitable for day use (or with permanent lighting during night)?

 

Yes, hence the bargain price. The 2MP mini bullet will be slightly higher, maybe $30-35 more.

 

I guess I may have to sit tight and wait for the 2MP bullet to become available.

 

In the mean time I've posted in another thread where a member has mentioned they are using this camera with PIR triggered lights to see how it performs with that setup.

 

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=33378&p=210573#p210573

[MaxIcon 0]

Also now I'm somewhat back to square one. Do I live with the issues you've highlighted? The most worrying being false motion detection if I go no IR and floodlights only. Given the floodlights are a must, what would you advise?

 

I run both internal IR and motion detect floodlights in some areas, and I get a lot of false alarms, mostly due to the cats (and the occasional possum or racoon) triggering the lights. I'll get a detect when the lights go on, and another when the lights go off.

 

How much trouble this is depends on the software you use for recording. I've gotten good at spotting which ones are routine and which are something different. Another option is to increase the motion time it takes to trigger motion detect. If you go long enough for it to recover from the lights turning on and off, you'll get fewer alarms, but may miss shorter motion events. Whether you miss anything before the motion event will depend on how many pre-trigger frames you capture.

[JF1980 0]

Also now I'm somewhat back to square one. Do I live with the issues you've highlighted? The most worrying being false motion detection if I go no IR and floodlights only. Given the floodlights are a must, what would you advise?

 

I run both internal IR and motion detect floodlights in some areas, and I get a lot of false alarms, mostly due to the cats (and the occasional possum or racoon) triggering the lights. I'll get a detect when the lights go on, and another when the lights go off.

 

How much trouble this is depends on the software you use for recording. I've gotten good at spotting which ones are routine and which are something different. Another option is to increase the motion time it takes to trigger motion detect. If you go long enough for it to recover from the lights turning on and off, you'll get fewer alarms, but may miss shorter motion events. Whether you miss anything before the motion event will depend on how many pre-trigger frames you capture.

 

False alarms due to actual motion (due to wildlife) I can live with. My neighbour has PIR triggered lights and they don't go off too often. So I doubt the false alerts will result in my family becoming conditioned to ignoring alerts.

 

It's false detection due to artifacts picked up by the sensor in low light that really worries me, as that will likely be a regular occurrence. And something I can do little about (my neighbours and bank balance won't appreciate floodlights on 24/7). If the 3200s had I/O for external alarm triggers I'd go with them as I could go the PIR route if I got lots of false triggers with the on board detection. And while the delay in adjusting exposure wold be annoying, its not critical for my requirements.

[JF1980 0]

Hmm looks like the NV3204 has 3 channel alarm input. Could I use that to do PIR based motion detection?

[dickday 0]

I'd like to add one more question to this post...

 

My Zmodo 16-channel system is working fine. My latest addition, a Zmodo ptz is not doing so well. They have determined that this camera (cm-z2213gy) has a problem with moisture forming on the inside of the lens when temps change. They have tried different seals with no luck. I need a ptz to monitor the corral and three pastures. I set a 12' 4x6 treated post in the perfect spot, had 110 run to that post and have both coax and 2 runs of Cat-5 (just as easy to run a second run and cable is cheap) running to the post. After 4 replacement cameras, they admit defeat and this appears to be their only camera in their current product offering that has both motion and zoom.

 

I assume other brands of ptz cameras also use rs485 for communications and can either use coax/bnc or cat-5 with baluns for the video.

 

Can anyone suggest a brand of ptz that should work with the Zmodo dvr?

 

Thanks!

[voip-ninja 0]

I think you'd get more answers to that particular question in the non-IP forum.

[JF1980 0]

Well I've fired off my questions about the 3200C to dahua/king/etc and no reply from any of them

 

I've also asked about availability of the 2MP bullet, but no response to that either.

 

Does anyone have any other suggestions I should consider?

[JF1980 0]

I have noticed the following cameras:

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Onvif-2-0-Megapixel-Network-Dome-camera-ip-h264-Support-POE-Ci-9821R/639795584.html

 

Which support HW motion detection and could possibly use these with my NAS and PIR motion detection. But concerned its pot luck without any feedback from people that have used them.

[JF1980 0]

Well I've fired off my questions about the 3200C to dahua/king/etc and no reply from any of them

 

I've also asked about availability of the 2MP bullet, but no response to that either.

 

Does anyone have any other suggestions I should consider?

 

I thought I should correct this post. KD had actually responded, but my POP3 had tagged their SMTP as a source of spam. Now I've corrected this I've noted they are (and have been) responding promptly. In any case they've suggested I wait a month as they will have some alternatives which will better suit my needs. I assume they mean the dahua 2mp mini bullet?

[marley1 0]

i too am interested if they are coming out with a 2mp mini dome.

 

I have been checking other manufactures, acti wouldn't be much more but the domes are a much larger size which i dont want on the front of my house.

 

I emailed KD as well and waiting on response.

[Kawboy12R 0]

They've got a 2mp minidome but it isn't a day/night camera. The 2mp "new" cameras available either very recently from some sources or shortly should be the ones marked "new" in the attached link.

 

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products_category/2-megapixel-32.html

[JF1980 0]

I can only assume they were referring to the:

 

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/ipc-hdbw32003202-220.html

 

Or

 

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/ipc-hfw3200s-218.html

 

I'm guessing its the mini bullet though, as I can't see the dome dropping in at the sought of pricing we we discussing.

 

Talking about ACTi that is the other alternative I'm considering. I noticed the D72 dome was down to $255 at some places. If the Dahuas don't appear closer to the $150 mark, ill have to consider that instead.

[marley1 0]

I noticed that Acti as well. Problem I am seeing is size. It is pretty big 6" by 6".

 

Also not sure what I would record too. Was hoping of using the Dahua NVR.

 

The Dahua Mini Dome (IR Model) is outside rated correct? It says IP66 but no where near does it mentioned Outdoor.

[Kawboy12R 0]

Ingress Protection 6/6 means completely dustproof and "protected against powerful water jets". That means good for outdoors with complete exposure to rain and wind.

 

http://viacam-security.com/ip66.html

[JF1980 0]

I noticed that Acti as well. Problem I am seeing is size. It is pretty big 6" by 6".

 

Also not sure what I would record too. Was hoping of using the Dahua NVR.

 

The Dahua Mini Dome (IR Model) is outside rated correct? It says IP66 but no where near does it mentioned Outdoor.

 

I was considering using a NVR, but am now thinking I'd be better off spending my budget on the cameras and using my existing NAS.

 

However, I won't be using them often for retrospective viewing (only if I notice some damage or intruder on my property) of videos or 24/7 monitoring. I mainly need them for real time alerts of an intruder on my property, for which ill likely use an App and push/email alerts.

[marley1 0]

What nas? Are you planning on just recording to it or using the security software built into the nas?

[JF1980 0]

What nas? Are you planning on just recording to it or using the security software built into the nas?

 

HP micro server N40L. Ill just be recording to it. If I need to examine the recordings later ill just access them as I do any other files on it.

 

This will work for me as I won't be regularly looking at past recordings, only if I discover damage to my property retrospectively or there's a specific incident. I don't plan to proactively monitor/examine CCTV recordings.

[marley1 0]

Interesting. I am interested to see what camera's you end up with.

 

I started looking at the Acti camera even though teh footprint is massive compared to the mini dome. But then I saw some posts regarding image quality and IR issues as well. I wish it was more cut and dry.

 

Then I started researching the NVR and read issues about having 16 channels and MP cameras. I guess it is limited so you can only do 16 1MP camera at 15fps and nothing else.