Sony 1/3" 700TVL CCD Camera and Motion Detect Problems

[CorvairShaggy 0]

I installed 4 of the Sony CCD 1/3" 700TVL w/36LED cameras recently. I have used these types of cameras before (from different vendors) and have not had this particular problem. Here is the link to what I bought:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290758307786?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

 

I have used 2 types of cheap DVRs, and had the same results. Here is the current DVR I am using:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380508618006?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

 

The problem I am having is in order to get the motion detect to work, I have to set the sensitivity for high, and you have to have motion in at least 6 blocks before it will trigger. This is ok for when you are up close, but I use these cameras becasue I can set them for 2.8mm distance, and get very wide coverage (i.e. the whole back yard, front yard, etc.). When they are covering a very wide coverage area and there is motion at the furthest point from the camera, it will not trigger. I understand that the unit has an 8 second pre-record, but the problem is if the motion is far away and the motion detect never triggers the record, tehn it kind of defeats the purpose. I have gone in the OSD Menu and played with the Motion Detect Setttings on the camera, but still no go. If you move the sensitivity down to like a 6 or so, tehit will not trip the Motion Record at all. Has anyone had this problem before?? I have used these styles of cameras in a few other locations with no problems. Even though they look the same, packaged really simular, and the menu is the same, is there differences in them??

Thanks for any help.

[Securame 0]

Your problem seems to be with the DVR, not the cameras, if you are geting a nice live image, then the cameras are doing fine. Really strange that it needs to have movement on 6 "blocks" before it triggers, but it does seem quite a crappy DVR, and also quite strange if you say it has happened to you with two different units.

 

You should not even need to touch any of the motion detection settings on the cameras OSD for that.

[CorvairShaggy 0]

Your problem seems to be with the DVR, not the cameras, if you are geting a nice live image, then the cameras are doing fine. Really strange that it needs to have movement on 6 "blocks" before it triggers, but it does seem quite a crappy DVR, and also quite strange if you say it has happened to you with two different units.

 

You should not even need to touch any of the motion detection settings on the cameras OSD for that.

 

Yeah, that is what does not make any sense. Nothing wrong with the image. What is weird is the first DVR (Really cheap ELEC brand from eBay) would not trigger motion at all, but when I hooked a 540TVL 3.6mm CCD to it at home on the bench, it worked fine. I did not test long range though, but I could not get this to record on "Motion" only at all on-site with the Sony 700TVLs.

 

With the new iCatch box, it would record short range, but only if the sensitivity was set all the way up. Both DVR units are D1 units. I have used these same Sony cameras on non-D1 cheap DVRs, and had no problem.

 

I really like these cameras as they are fairly cheap and have a really good image, and they are fully adjustable from 2.8mm-12mm, which gives excellent coverage. I just cannot find a good D1 DVR unit that is cheap for a home user that will work with No-IP.com for free DDNS and that will record motion properly, and that is somewhat user friendly. I think someone could redisgn the software that these cheap stand-alone units have and make the software more user-friendly and make a fortune. I guess that is why they are cheap, but most home owners having 4-8 cameras installed don't really want to fork over the $$$ for a Geovision. Any Ideas?

[CorvairShaggy 0]

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[Securame 0]

Hikvision has its own DDNS service, and I am 99% that Dahua also does. You really do not need to pay for a fixed IP or for dyndns account if you do not want to, I have also seen many chinese brand DVR with a dynamic DNS service, but I wouldn't trust them too much.

[aibudo 0]

The "cheapest" dvr that we handle is the Zmodo and the motion detect is so sensitive that I generally have to set the sensitivity to the lowest level. Even the movement of grass will set the record off if the wind is great enough. Sound like dvr issues to me.

 

Dennis

[CorvairShaggy 0]

Yeah, I've used zmodo and q-see before. Pretty cheap, but they are retail boxes so that is why they are popular. Samsung has decent software, but the support is horrendous. (based out of China. No email response, took them 8 months to fix the iPhone App).

I am going this weekend to another site where I installed a nicer D1 box with the Sony cams. Going to play with it and see if I can recreate the problem on their system. I would use that style of DVR for all my installs, but the company (ShoppingCCTV) kept sending me faulty equipment, and sometimes I would have to send the same item back 2-3 times before they would send one that worked. Also, their DVR box had an issue with the Motion Detect recording time and they never would respond. Maybe it is the Sony cameras? Don't know. I'll post back with an update.

Thanks again for the responses!

[CorvairShaggy 0]

The "cheapest" dvr that we handle is the Zmodo and the motion detect is so sensitive that I generally have to set the sensitivity to the lowest level. Even the movement of grass will set the record off if the wind is great enough. Sound like dvr issues to me.

 

Dennis

 

What standalone DVRs do you generally use?

[aibudo 0]

Maybe because of the pricing, but Zmodo is what I handle the most. Now, there are some Zmodo models that I don't care for at all. Just personal gripes I guess. Avtech and Falco are two others that I have used a fair amount of. They are more money and most of my clients just want "cheap". The Falco software is the same as Zmodo but the Avtech is totally different and unless they have gotten better, I don't like the playback at all. I have also worked with and sold a couple of others, with other issues. That said, and I probably repeating myself, but every dvr (except one) that I've sold or serviced has had hard-drive failures. Seems that most servicers have their own choices for their locations (areas) with good/bad reports all the way around. Just what you get used to, I guess. Hate to advise, one way or the other.

[tomcctv 190]

I have gone in the OSD Menu and played with the Motion Detect Setttings on the camera, but still no go.

 

 

hi. what you have to remember is motion on a camera does nothing at all and has nothing to do with dvr.

[CorvairShaggy 0]

Maybe because of the pricing, but Zmodo is what I handle the most. Now, there are some Zmodo models that I don't care for at all. Just personal gripes I guess. Avtech and Falco are two others that I have used a fair amount of. They are more money and most of my clients just want "cheap". The Falco software is the same as Zmodo but the Avtech is totally different and unless they have gotten better, I don't like the playback at all. I have also worked with and sold a couple of others, with other issues. That said, and I probably repeating myself, but every dvr (except one) that I've sold or serviced has had hard-drive failures. Seems that most servicers have their own choices for their locations (areas) with good/bad reports all the way around. Just what you get used to, I guess. Hate to advise, one way or the other.

 

I'm in the same boat. Most people want "cheap" for their residences, but want Casino quality. Guess they need to wait a few more years for that one.

 

Thanks for the input. Basically, I just need to keep playing around with the cheap equipment until I find the right combination that works best for general applications and that I am most comfortable with. So far I have learned it is a give and take relationship with these cheap units. Good to know that this is kinda the norm for these units. I thought that I just had really bad luck or was a complete idiot. Good info to know.

Thanks again!

[CorvairShaggy 0]

I have gone in the OSD Menu and played with the Motion Detect Setttings on the camera, but still no go.

 

 

hi. what you have to remember is motion on a camera does nothing at all and has nothing to do with dvr.

 

OK. So the OSD cameras are really only good for fine-tuning picture quality and that is it. Kinda what I figured, but just have not had enough experience with them yet.

Thanks!

[des.seguridad 0]

hola buenas.

 

poner un DVR configurado unicamente para la grabación por DM, creo que es un fallo, ya que el DVR puede interpretar cambios de luz y sombras como movimiento y poner la grabación en marcha cuando realmente no esta pasando nada.

lo idoneo sería poner dos formatos de grabación al mismo tiempo:

1º- poner grabación 24h. a pocas ips y a una calidad CIF (para que te ocupe poco espacio en el disco)

así te garantizas una grabación segura por si no salta el MD, que por lo que comentas, el DVR no tiene una buena función de DM.

2º- activar la DM a ciertas horas en concreto ( de esta manera, a esas horas tendrás activo la grabación continua por si no salta el MD) a una calidad de grabación alta (pongamos D1) y a tiempo real (25ips/30fps)

 

otra opción, si la función MD no te funciona correctamente, puedes utilizar los contactos de alarma para activar la grabación, (puedes asociar esos contactos a un detector Pir)

 

comentarte que no soy muy partidario de solo poner una grabación por DM en un sistema de seguridad, ya que este tipo de función actua dependiendo del cambio de imagen que tienes en pantalla al momento de la configuración.

 

para el tema de la IP dinámica, puedes utilizar un servidor de nombres como el NO-IP que es gratuito o el DynDNS.

 

espero que te sirva de ayuda.

 

un abrazo.

[CorvairShaggy 0]

Hello good.

 

put a DVR set to record only for Motion Detect, I think it's a failure, because the DVR can interpret changes in light and shadow as a movement and put the recording on when really nothing is happening.

Ideally, we would put two recording formats simultaneously:

1st - put 24h recording. a few fps and CIF quality (for you takes up little disk space)

well you guarantee secure recording if the Motion Detect does not jump, which as you mention, the DVR does not have a good function of Motion Detect.

2 - activate the DM specifically at certain times (thus active at that time have continued recording if you do not jump the Motion Detect) at a high recording quality (say D1) and real time (25ips/30fps)

 

another option, if the function does not work correctly Motion Detect, you can use the alarm contacts to activate recording (you can associate these contacts to a PIR)

 

let you know that I am not very keen on recording just put a Motion Detect in a security system, and that such acts function depending on the change of image you have on screen at configuration time.

 

to the issue of dynamic IP, you can use a name server such as NO-IP or DynDNS is free.

 

I hope you will help.

 

a hug.

 

So, I like to set the system up to record Motion only to save disk space and to make playback alot easier. Plus, some people who have a seperate monitor like to have it set where when it detects motion, it jumps full screen to the camera that detects the motion.

 

Good idea on the recording low quality all the time, and higher quality on motion records. I'll keep that in mind.

 

I have setup units with NO-IP before because it is free, but DYNDNS has swithed to pay only.

 

Thanks again everyone for the responses. To get this setup like I woudl ideally want, looks liek I need to spend a few more $$ and keep searching until I find a DVR that suits my requirements.

 

 

Gracias

[brebenac 0]

If the image recorded on motion areas is allowed to suffer invert colors on the area detected you could activate the motion detection option inside the camera itself (by OSD menu). This way the dvr would detect a larger event and record the motion you need.

[CorvairShaggy 0]

If the image recorded on motion areas is allowed to suffer invert colors on the area detected you could activate the motion detection option inside the camera itself (by OSD menu). This way the dvr would detect a larger event and record the motion you need.

 

Already tired going into the motion detect via the OSD menu. Made changes there, but did not see any difference at all in the motion. I did not reboot the camera after I changed, but did save the settings and exit. I would assume the changes are made on the fly.