60 fps frame rate - a new standard for Low Light MP Cameras?

[myiicu 0]

Axis has joined the growing list of manufacturers such as Bosch and Samsung who offer low light cameras that feature high frame rate.

 

Axis has recently announced their new 720P 60fps frame rate box camera.

http://www.axis.com/corporate/press/releases/viewstory.php?case_id=3163

 

Axis will offer 60fps frame rate in new encoders and finally dome cameras in 2014 with the introduction of the ARTPEC-5 chip.

http://www.axis.com/corporate/press/releases/viewstory.php?case_id=3242

 

Bosch NBN-733V

Shutter (1/30s to 1/15000s)

http://resource.boschsecurity.com/documents/NBN_733_Data_sheet_enUS_9736863499.pdf

 

Samsung SNB-5004

Shutter (2s to 1/12000s)

https://www.samsung-security.com/SAMSUNG/upload/Product_Specifications/SNB-5004_Datasheet.pdf

 

So many cameras to test...

[ssmith10pn 0]

That's cool. I just have never came across a situation and needed 60fps.

[buellwinkle 0]

The only thing I can think of for 60fps is casinos and jewelry stores where people do slight of hand in gambling fraud or jewelry theft. Lighting has to be decent because shutter speeds have to be faster than 1/60th of a second to capture, process and write video at 60 fps.

 

Can their current 30fps lightfinder cameras can really do 30fps at night in available light?

[ssmith10pn 0]

The only thing I can think of for 60fps is casinos and jewelry stores where people do slight of hand in gambling fraud or jewelry theft.

 

I still think 30fps would be more than fast enough.

I video tape the launching or Drag Race cars suspension movements and 30fps is plenty. Nothing much changes until you get to 300 or 400FPS.

 

At 30fps it takes 7 frames for the Amber Light on the Christmas tree to go from dim to Bright.

[MR2 0]

if they really want to do something useful, start putting the higher megapixel camera's behind decent size sensors and len's (why not a SLR Lens and CMOS?)

 

SLR Lens's are cheap as, I can't see big frame CMOS's being THAT expensive these days.

[ssmith10pn 0]

if they really want to do something useful, start putting the higher megapixel camera's behind decent size sensors and len's (why not a SLR Lens and CMOS?)

 

SLR Lens's are cheap as, I can't see big frame CMOS's being THAT expensive these days.

 

 

 

[MR2 0]

yeah, that's what I want to see, without the thousands of dollars price tag.

[buellwinkle 0]

Yes, the Hikvision $169 version, LOL.

[thewireguys 3]

 

Can their current 30fps lightfinder cameras can really do 30fps at night in available light?

 

Avigilon's Lightcatcher and Axis Q1604 have no problem with low light and 30fps without motion blur.

[myiicu 0]

Back to Earth...

[MR2 0]

Yes, the Hikvision $169 version, LOL.

 

my work would happily pay $400-$500 for something reasonable, lets say 12mp, with a good clear lens etc

 

probably start using them instead of the current ones

 

but frankly the quality increase is not there for even triple the $169 base price the 3mp come in at

[40th Floor 0]

"The future of cinema and TV: It’s game over for the hi-res hype"

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/25/the_future_of_moving_images_the_eyes_have_it/

 

About FPS versus resolution or, how low FPS of moving pictures at higher and higher resolution is doing it all wrong.

[MaxIcon 0]

Yeah, that Canon lens will set you back at least $2k, I'd guess. You can find cheaper brands with similar specs and lower quality, but getting a decent version of that lens below $500 would be a challenge.

 

Good optics cost good money, which puts the $170 Hiks in perspective.

[MR2 0]

Yeah, that Canon lens will set you back at least $2k, I'd guess. You can find cheaper brands with similar specs and lower quality, but getting a decent version of that lens below $500 would be a challenge.

 

Good optics cost good money, which puts the $170 Hiks in perspective.

 

nup, good SLR len's can be had on ebay for a little over $200 each, so imagine how cheap a camera manufacturer could get them for in bulk

 

some of the Fujinon len's cost more!

 

 

the beautiful thing with SLR len's is there are so many of them that used they can be had for next to nix & the tooling to make them is already well established, so they are an ideal standard for the industry to move to.

[buellwinkle 0]

Avigilon's Lightcatcher and Axis Q1604 have no problem with low light and 30fps without motion blur.

 

Have you tried IPConfigure with the Q1604 yet? We can't get ours to work. We set an app event to trigger alarm out but nothing happens. Seems sort of buggy in that sometimes the trigger shows up, sometimes it disappears until we reboot the camera. Also, if you tried it, how long does it take from the time the car passes through until an event is triggered?

[thewireguys 3]

I had time to mess with it for a couple of hours. It's not as easy to setup as Avigilon's LPR and you need a VERY tight FOV for it to work. I only have a 9-40mm lens and I need something more like 80mm or longer to so I can test it. Some day I will test it again because I am interested in getting it integrated into Aviglion for ALPR but I am currently neck deep in a 500 camera project right now.

[buellwinkle 0]

Right now I have IPConfigure blaming Axis, Axis saying camera works Then I have IPConfigure saying they can detect a plate and trigger an event in a couple of seconds, we are seeing like 13-15 seconds, so at the moment, not sure it's a workable solution but the concept is awesome if they can ever pull it off.

 

I love the guy at the trade shows that flips a spinning wheel of license plates and it records every single one as fast as the wheel spins. Just can't find him after the show. Do you know the guy I'm talking about?

[thewireguys 3]

Think that is Genetec.... http://www.genetec.com/solutions/all-products/autovu

[myiicu 0]

New Axis Q1614 720P 50/60fps box cam specs, manuals, ordering part#s are up.

 

http://www.axis.com/products/cam_q1614/index.htm

http://www.axis.com/files/datasheet/AXIS_Q16_Network_Camera_Series_Datasheet.pdf

 

Looks like shutter speed @720P 50/60fps is 1/43500s to 2s.

[ssmith10pn 0]

Genetec Autovu / SharpX is pretty impressive.

 

 

[mobbarley 0]

Hi Buellwinkle - it might be worth getting in touch with the second AXIS compatible LPR application to appear: http://waysight.com/embedded-lpr-acap/

 

I haven't tried it yet.

[waysight 0]

Hi guys, just noted you mentioned us (Waysight) above We're actually just a 2-man outfit right now, but with a history at Axis. The Waysight software LPR app works fine for some use cases, but is limited by the camera hardware itself (which obviously IP Configure and other apps would be as well for the same reasons).

 

For example, with the hardware-based dedicated LPR camera we sold previously, we could grab plates at 90% confidence from vehicles moving at 200 km/h in total darkness in winter-time even with dirt and snow on the plates. This is completely impossible with generic IP surveillance cameras, so the integrator has to be aware of this if you are considering using the software apps.

 

On the other hand, for statistics use in a city with lights and slow moving vehicles, around parking lots or gates, the on-board apps provide a pretty good value.

 

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