jjp2014 0 Posted February 5, 2014 Apartment complex has multiple PBX rooms all networked together vis 110 Punch block and 25 pair PBX supply lines.... circa 1971.. End result link a DVR unit that controls 4 Camera on far side of complex (approximately 5,000 feet of cable if run through a conduit) with new DVR unit controlling 8 cameras in main office.... Attempting to avoid re-running cables and re-mounting cameras.... any ideas or suggestions, Client has analog cameras on the 4ch DVR..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varascope 0 Posted February 5, 2014 Since you have CAT 3 25 pair and you are looking at just under a mile, you can use extenders capable of several miles. 1. Place embedded DVRs in PBX rooms and connect ethernet cable to the extender OR 2. Use IP cameras with the extender back to your central location into an NVR This configuration is fairly common especially for large campuses. You can bring DVRs together using a CMS software, substitute DVR for a 4 channel encoder or leave as 2 separate units with web browser access. If you PM further details I can confirm the configuration and parts list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted February 5, 2014 Thank you for the reply, I "qualified" the network and POOOP! it failed all tests including continuity I am now looking into "nanostation m5" wireless bridge option.... Tentatively: (1) NVR unit -Pelco DSSRV-030-US [Main office] (run of Dual CAT6 - 1,650') from guard shack POE switch to Main office NVR 8-Port switch (A. Guard Shack) [Hybrid] >ZONE A: (2) Messoa-SCR515HB (LPR) -Driveway Enter/ Exit {Pelco: NET5402T} Analog to IP encoder (1) Axis: P3364-VE P/n:0299-031 (IP) -Generic shot of driveway (B. Main office) [ Hybrid] >ZONE B: (1) Axis: P3364-VE P/n: 0299-031 (IP) -Cover pool and spa deck area >ZONE C: (2) Messoa-SCR515HB (LPR -Driveway Enter/ Exit {Pelco: NET5402T} Analog to IP encoder (1) Axis: P3364-VE P/n: 0299-031 (IP) -cover generic driveway >ZONE D: (2) Axis: P3364-VE P/n: 0299-031 (IP) -Underground Parking garage drive way Enter/ Exit ____________________ So POE switch at Guard shack and at Main office ...... ? How I mapped it out: Main OFFICE: 8-Port Switch (with POE?) >ZONE A (Guard Shack): (Uses 3 ports of 4) 1 Port POE switch remain [port 4 to Zone A to Main office] >ZONE B: (Pool + SPA area) (uses 1 port of 6) 5 Ports POE switch remain >ZONE C: (Driveway LPR Cams + Dome) (uses 3 ports of 5) 2 Ports POE switch remain >ZONE D: (Garage Domes) (uses 2 ports of 2) 0 Ports POE switch remain DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? Am I missing anything? Looking at: (estimated) 3500' of 1/2 emt conduit 4,500' Cat6 Direct burial 1500' Cat6 Plenum ....... A lot of hours pulling cables and laying conduit.... CLIENT is already working on parking lot so hope the contractor will allow me to lay Underground cable path from guard shack to Main office! :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
varascope 0 Posted February 5, 2014 4,500' Cat6 Direct burial1500' Cat6 Plenum The only thing I am unsure of, without a facility map, is the distances. Since you are limited to 328ft before you need to add a repeater or switch I would not recommend pushing the limit. If your runs are longer and you are utilizing analog cameras, you can use baluns or active baluns depending on distance. Did you use a toner on the 25 pair to each PBX closet? Does the guard station tone back to any PBX closet? If you are planning on running cable anyway, I would recommend running fiber. You can maintain your analog, add IP and even use HD-SDI. With fiber you don't have noise or interference and will not have distance issues. If they are re-doing the parking lot the cheapest alternative is dropping Sch45 pipe with outdoor rated fiber. What state are you in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted February 7, 2014 Did a Site walk through.... Main office to Guard shack ( really its a closet with irrigation controls, no windows ...) Total conduit run is just over 700' Main office to furthest camera at other drive way just over 650' Looking at Axis for my dome camera units (5) Model: P3364-VE Looking at two options for License Plate Reading units (4) >Option #1: Axis, Model: Q1765-LE >>Option #2: Messoa , Model: SCR510HB **Client wants Low profile high results from the license plate read Longest throw is 150' shortest throw is 30' Mid-range throw is around 50' ** Using a Pelco NVR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted February 11, 2014 Looking at running Milestone Xproject essentials as my NVR software.... Then looking at an I7 4 gigs of ram 1.5TB primary media drive and 250 Gig software drive Looking at a 750' run hardwire... -OR- Looking at wireless 5.8ghz bridge... PROS/ CONS?? HARDWARE: (5) Axis P3364-Ve domes (4) Axis Q1604 with 50mm telephoto lens system -Need case model that will fit this set-up What is the rule of thumb for IR and LPR? (within 50' from cam unit) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted February 14, 2014 Here are a few pics of the proposed site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RandyParlee 0 Posted February 14, 2014 I'm not a huge fan of the 1604 as a LPR but I haven't tried it with anything but the stock lens. The 1765 does gatekeeper which will give you 2 applications from the same camera (more bang for your buck from further back). It's a helluva camera. Can you do wireless and use some sort of hybrid on-board storage (for redundancy) and NVR? Have you discussed the project with Axis? They'll probably loan you an engineer for a few hours if you're using their gear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted February 15, 2014 yeah I am new to the Q series ... Im familiar to the P3364-series that is a product i have tested in field... suggested to me that the Q1604 with a fujinon 5mm to 50mm lens is good combo... I will look into the Q17 series Looking at using the UBIQUITY Nanobridge M5 with Loco M5 to bridge the comms GAP>>> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jestermaroc 0 Posted July 21, 2014 It seems I am late to the party . What option did you eventually implement? If it was me I would absolutely have gone with the UBNT wireless link as long as the area isn't saturated with wireless in the 5Ghz band. Cheers, Jester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjp2014 0 Posted July 25, 2014 Just now getting the first round of YES votes by HOA.. after 10 hours of "talking" with axis.... they said go with the Axis-1765-LE awaiting the new product line so that i can get a working model and play with it... chose the ubiquity m5 loco more detailed pics to come as the project rolls forward.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
