Swann NHD-806 Rebranded Hikvision?

[ukanalyst 0]

Hi guys,

 

Apologies if this has already been answered but I've searched hard and can't see any posts with this specific model number mentioned.

 

Does anyone know if the Swann NHD-806 IP Cam is a re-branded Hikvision (perhaps the DS-2CD2012-I?) and if so will it work with the Hikvision iVMS software (or could it be re-flashed as a Hikvision unit again?)

 

http://www.swann.com/au/swnhd-806cam

 

http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk_catalog/cos_10,cos_10.7,cos_1.9.3/162091

 

Thanks in advance

 

Dave

[Numb-nuts 1]

Dave, why bother trying to find out, why not buy the Hikvision in the firstplace?

 

If you want to use IVMS then get a Hikvision wouldn't that be a whole lot simpler than speculating

if they are the same unit and zapping the firmware only to find out you were wrong?

[ukanalyst 0]

Dave, why bother trying to find out, why not buy the Hikvision in the firstplace?

 

If you want to use IVMS then get a Hikvision wouldn't that be a whole lot simpler than speculating

if they are the same unit and zapping the firmware only to find out you were wrong?

 

Thanks for your reply ... the reason I'm asking is that they are currently on offer at a price much lower than I could get the Hiks for ... I currently have a couple of the 3MP Hiks and they're great but want a couple of extra cameras where lower res units would be fine ... I could get two of these for less than I paid for a single 3MP Hik.

 

Dave

[Numb-nuts 1]

Dave, why bother trying to find out, why not buy the Hikvision in the firstplace?

 

If you want to use IVMS then get a Hikvision wouldn't that be a whole lot simpler than speculating

if they are the same unit and zapping the firmware only to find out you were wrong?

 

Thanks for your reply ... the reason I'm asking is that they are currently on offer at a price much lower than I could get the Hiks for ... I currently have a couple of the 3MP Hiks and they're great but want a couple of extra cameras where lower res units would be fine ... I could get two of these for less than I paid for a single 3MP Hik.

 

Dave

 

Well whatever you do, hope it al works out for you...

[ukanalyst 0]

Well whatever you do, hope it al works out for you...

 

Thanks I don't think it is that model from the research I've done so far but it might work anyway .... Hmmm! Lol!

[ukanalyst 0]

Well I bought a couple this evening but it doesn't look like this is going to be straight forward ... no built in web server and it seems the following ports are open:

 

554 & 6001 : Both give the following prompt in a telnet session:

 

RTSP/1.0 400 Bad Request

Date: Sat, Jan 01 2011 01:00:29 GMT

Allow: OPTIONS, DESCRIBE, SETUP, TEARDOWN, PLAY, PAUSE, GET_PARAMETER, SET_PARAM

ETER

 

9000 : doesn't seem to give anything back

 

8000 : Gives the XML SOAP response below in a browser:

 

<SOAP-ENV:Envelope xmlns:SOAP-ENV="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap-envelope" xmlns:SOAP-ENC="http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap-encoding" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:wsa="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2004/08/addressing" xmlns:wsdd="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/04/discovery" xmlns:wsa5="http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing" xmlns:xmime="http://tempuri.org/xmime.xsd" xmlns:xmime5="http://www.w3.org/2005/05/xmlmime" xmlns:xop="http://www.w3.org/2004/08/xop/include" xmlns:wsrfbf="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/bf-2" xmlns:tt="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/schema" xmlns:wstop="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsn/t-1" xmlns:wsrfr="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/r-2" xmlns:ns1="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/actionengine/wsdl" xmlns:tev="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl" xmlns:ns10="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/PullPointBinding" xmlns:ns11="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/CreatePullPointBinding" xmlns:ns12="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/PausableSubscriptionManagerBinding" xmlns:ns13="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/network/wsdl/RemoteDiscoveryBinding" xmlns:ns14="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/network/wsdl/DiscoveryLookupBinding" xmlns:tdn="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/network/wsdl" xmlns:ns3="http://www.onvif.org/ver20/analytics/wsdl/RuleEngineBinding" xmlns:ns4="http://www.onvif.org/ver20/analytics/wsdl/AnalyticsEngineBinding" xmlns:tan="http://www.onvif.org/ver20/analytics/wsdl" xmlns:ns5="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/PullPointSubscriptionBinding" xmlns:ns6="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/EventBinding" xmlns:ns7="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/SubscriptionManagerBinding" xmlns:ns8="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/NotificationProducerBinding" xmlns:wsnt="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsn/b-2" xmlns:ns9="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/events/wsdl/NotificationConsumerBinding" xmlns:tad="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/analyticsdevice/wsdl" xmlns:tds="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/device/wsdl" xmlns:timg="http://www.onvif.org/ver20/imaging/wsdl" xmlns:tls="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/display/wsdl" xmlns:tmd="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/deviceIO/wsdl" xmlns:tptz="http://www.onvif.org/ver20/ptz/wsdl" xmlns:trc="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/recording/wsdl" xmlns:trp="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/replay/wsdl" xmlns:trt="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/media/wsdl" xmlns:trv="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/receiver/wsdl" xmlns:tse="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/search/wsdl" xmlns:ter="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/error" xmlns:tns1="http://www.onvif.org/ver10/topics" xmlns:wsse="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-wssecurity-secext-1.0.xsd" xmlns:wsu="http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-wssecurity-utility-1.0.xsd">
<SOAP-ENV:Body>
<SOAP-ENV:Fault>
<faultcode>SOAP-ENV:Client</faultcode>
<faultstring>HTTP GET method not implemented</faultstring>
</SOAP-ENV:Fault>
</SOAP-ENV:Body>
</SOAP-ENV:Envelope>

[MaxIcon 0]

Here's a technique that can help find the OEM for cams like this.

 

Find the page that reports the firmware version, and google that, as well as other software versions. This may lead to a page that has the info you need.

 

For instance, the Hik Swann reports the same firmware version as the Hik it's based on, so if you google that (in quotes if it's got spaces/dashes/whatever), it will take you to Hik pages.

[buellwinkle 0]

Let make the assumption that you don't know what you are doing and these are Hikvision made cameras although they look different, no tightening nut or chrome ball on the mounting base. Swann will not help you unless they are connected to an NVR, just their thing.

 

First get your hand on some tools from here - http://www.hikvision.com/en/download_more.asp?id=1178

 

Install a program called SADP and make sure WinpCap is installed with it, if there's any sign it doesn't, reinstall WinpCap from it's own website, winpcap.org.

 

Plug the camera into a PoE switch or injector connected to your network and give it a minute two power on. Only do one at a time.

 

Run the SADP program and if you are lucky, it will find it. Hikvisions tend to default to 192.0.0.64.

 

Select the camera and on the right, enter an IP address, subnet mask, gateway that would work in your home network. Try 12345 as the password and click save. If that worked, the double click on the IP address in SADP and it will bring up a browser to that address and you should be able to login as admin/12345.

[ukanalyst 0]

Here's a technique that can help find the OEM for cams like this.

 

Find the page that reports the firmware version, and google that, as well as other software versions. This may lead to a page that has the info you need.

 

For instance, the Hik Swann reports the same firmware version as the Hik it's based on, so if you google that (in quotes if it's got spaces/dashes/whatever), it will take you to Hik pages.

 

Thanks for this ... not useful for these cams unfortunately but a helpful hint for people to refer to non-the-less. There's no firmware offered for this device ... I suspect they are heavily crippled and will only allow any sort of management through the Swann NVR ... see here: http://www.swann.com/au/swnhd-806cam

[ukanalyst 0]

Let make the assumption that you don't know what you are doing and these are Hikvision made cameras although they look different, no tightening nut or chrome ball on the mounting base. Swann will not help you unless they are connected to an NVR, just their thing.

 

First get your hand on some tools from here - http://www.hikvision.com/en/download_more.asp?id=1178

 

Install a program called SADP and make sure WinpCap is installed with it, if there's any sign it doesn't, reinstall WinpCap from it's own website, winpcap.org.

 

Plug the camera into a PoE switch or injector connected to your network and give it a minute two power on. Only do one at a time.

 

Run the SADP program and if you are lucky, it will find it. Hikvisions tend to default to 192.0.0.64.

 

Select the camera and on the right, enter an IP address, subnet mask, gateway that would work in your home network. Try 12345 as the password and click save. If that worked, the double click on the IP address in SADP and it will bring up a browser to that address and you should be able to login as admin/12345.

 

You know what they say about assumption ... Thanks for the response though, it is appreciated. I downloaded and installed SADP and connected one of the IP Cams to my PoE switch ... it gets an IP address just fine from my DHCP server but SADP doesn't report seeing the device ... it does however see my two Hikvision cams and Hikvision NVR software just fine though

 

As I mentioned above, the camera doesn't offer anything up on port 80 but does offer a SOAP XML response on port 8000 which (all-be-it just a response to tell me a standard GET request will get me nothing! ... HTTP GET method not implemented).

 

I have also bought the NVR to install for someone else so I might just get a wireshark session going if I get chance before I install it to see what the NVR sends to the camera.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

[Swann Tech 0]

Hi Dave,

 

These are *not* Hik manufactured cameras.

 

Well, your first weapon in this fight will be the right software.

 

http://swann.com/downloads/New_FTP/Name/Public_Software_Archives/Swannview_Link/SwannView_Link_Windows_v1.0.2.21.zip

 

The software will allow you to discover and configure the cameras. There is no PC NVR software for these cameras unlike the Hik cameras.

 

Ports I know about:

 

554: RTSP port. For video streams. I don't know the URI syntax yet.

 

85: Web server port. May not appear on production models.

 

8000: ONVIF port. How you get these cameras to work on our 7200 series NVRs.

 

9000: SDK port. Links to the software.

 

Didn't know about 6001. Looks like a secondary RTSP port. Might be for sub stream?

 

These cameras are on DHCP by default, so they're easy to find on most decent routers.

[buellwinkle 0]

[You know what they say about assumption ...

Dave

 

Hey, I'm the only one that doubted they were Hikvision. Seen a lot of cameras at trade shows that look like Hikvision or Dahua but are not. I figured if you tried SADP and that didn't work, then it's not Hikvision. The problem is, without their NVR, you don't know if it will work with 3rd party software or NVRs.

[ukanalyst 0]

Hi Dave,

 

These are *not* Hik manufactured cameras.

 

Well, your first weapon in this fight will be the right software.

 

http://swann.com/downloads/New_FTP/Name/Public_Software_Archives/Swannview_Link/SwannView_Link_Windows_v1.0.2.21.zip

 

The software will allow you to discover and configure the cameras. There is no PC NVR software for these cameras unlike the Hik cameras.

 

Ports I know about:

 

554: RTSP port. For video streams. I don't know the URI syntax yet.

 

85: Web server port. May not appear on production models.

 

8000: ONVIF port. How you get these cameras to work on our 7200 series NVRs.

 

9000: SDK port. Links to the software.

 

Didn't know about 6001. Looks like a secondary RTSP port. Might be for sub stream?

 

These cameras are on DHCP by default, so they're easy to find on most decent routers.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time and trouble to reply, much appreciated. Unfortunately I didn't get chance to do any more investigation before I had to do the install so I guess I'll end up taking the unopened twin pack back to CostCo for now.

 

I have to say however that I'm really impressed with the picture and features of the four I installed along with the 7805 NVR at the weekend ... if I didn't already have my set up I would have seriously considered this set for myself. For anyone in the UK interested, they're on sale at CostCo for £140ish a pair and the 8 channel PoE IP NVR with 1TB HDD and 2 cams is on sale for £450 ... for £600 for a 4 camera PoE system, I think it's a bit of a bargain ... I just wish I could have used them with my HikVision NVR ... never mind!

 

Dave

[ukanalyst 0]

[You know what they say about assumption ...

Dave

 

Hey, I'm the only one that doubted they were Hikvision. Seen a lot of cameras at trade shows that look like Hikvision or Dahua but are not. I figured if you tried SADP and that didn't work, then it's not Hikvision. The problem is, without their NVR, you don't know if it will work with 3rd party software or NVRs.

 

I wasn't having a go ... I really do appreciate you and the other folks taking the time to reply ... I'm an IT Manager by trade and I know from bitter experience that assumption is always a dangerous thing

 

We know now however that these aren't HikVision units and trying to use them other than with Swann NVR kit would be difficult (if I had the time I'd love to to try for fun but hey ho!)

 

Dave

[Numb-nuts 1]

There is a very arrid sense of humour on here and we all accept that a bit of leg pulling goes on too.

Don't be so bothered about it nobody really minds.