Hikvision DS-7608NI-SE/P recording schedule and others......

[vimes 0]

Hi

I have a Hikvision DS-7608NI-SE/P NVR and I have flashed it with the 2.3.9 beta firmware.

 

I have six Hikvision IP cameras connected to it and all seems well, learning various settings and configurations etc.

 

At the moment I have each of the six cameras set up for motion recording. In the main it works well but even though the sensitivity is really good, recording the minimum of movements etc, there are times when it will either clip too much before a car or person has entered the frame or not recording enough for the duration of movement. I have set it to record 5 (and then tried 10) seconds prior to the trigger and 30 seconds after but still it can be clipped. This used to be the case with my older analogue D1 type system and thus I moved to continuous recording but kept the motion detection recordings as well.

With this Hikvision though, I am mainly using the web interface to access it, if I have each camera set (just going to show Cam 1 as an example) to still pick up on the previously noted motion trigger (and to trigger an event) this will no longer be shown in the timeline....

 

 

....you can see the yellow marked segments as they represented motion detection recordings. But you can now see a solid blue bar which shows a continuous recording, even though there are individual motion events within that solid blue time period. What I am not able to do, or find, is to show or search for just motion detection recordings (or markers) from when the NVR is continuously recording.

 

With my old analogue system and generic DVR I could use the CMS software to search by Alarm, Motion, period etc etc. Thus it was always possible to ensure that no motion events were missed being recorded and none were ever clipped. The timeline on that could show various markings or colours representing the triggers which caused the tagging.

 

So is it possible to sho a timeline whilst might be blue and solid to indicate a continuous recrding but also indicate where a motion trigger was tagged.....?

 

Also my six cams are set as follows....

 

 

...so I should be ok as this is the maximum that the NVR can manage, in terms of bandwidth. But if I did, for example, change two of the cams to 20fps it would then push the max to around 45mb/sec but as long as all six channels are not recording at the same time would that be acceptable or could that cause an issue...? It will accept those settings so I assume that they could be ok...?

 

Last point I must be missing this but when I had an older 2.37 firmware installed on the NVR I found the power down option easy enough in the NVR menu but for the life of me I can't find it again...?!

 

Thanks for any advice

[catseyenu 0]

Interesting observations on 2.39 event tracking, I have no answers but will be following.

 

Last point I must be missing this but when I had an older 2.37 firmware installed on the NVR I found the power down option easy enough in the NVR menu but for the life of me I can't find it again...?!

 

It got me too when I updated to 2.38, it should be on the Maintenance screen on the lower left side (red dot).

If it is missing you may want to reset to default and see if it shows up then.

[vimes 0]

Interesting observations on 2.39 event tracking, I have no answers but will be following.

It got me too when I updated to 2.38, it should be on the Maintenance screen on the lower left side (red dot).

If it is missing you may want to reset to default and see if it shows up then.

 

Thanks for that, at least I know how, if I should ever want to, switch it off in a safe manner, goodness knows how I missed that dot

 

The following is a fake mock up of what I would have liked.....

 

 

the build up of what would be a solid blue bar indicating a continuous record and then segmented when tagged with a motion detection event. To me it seems pretty basic in what I would expect but I can't seem to achieve that. If it can't be tagged all that you would have is a solid blue timeline bar with no event tagging which makes it a little pointless when overviewing any timeline for triggered tagging etc.

 

Any ideas on the bandwidth part of my question...?

 

Many thanks

[catseyenu 0]

Sorry, no clue on the bandwidth question.

I am still learning about the system myself.

[vimes 0]

Ok thanks

 

It does seem that you can still search for a motion detection event within the software iVMS-4200 Client, and download just those, rather than just the continuous recordings. But you don't seem to be able to get a timeline showing those motion detection events as I noted above.

 

Anyway I have emailed Hikvision to ask their opinion.

[aster1x 0]

 

 

 

 

At which software or interface do you see your attached pictures and under which menu?

[aster1x 0]

I also have doubts about the proper functioning of motion detection. I have several examples where specific motion events hae no been detected. Thankfully I had specified the whole system to have enough bandwidth and storage for continuous recording. So now I am operating on continuous recording 24x7 to be safe. The annoying thing is that when the disks get filled up and the overwrite of the oldest recording begins the available free space on the disks is always 0, which is right but obviously meaningless after the first overwrite.

 

I also have two disks for redundancy. I discovered that the video is never lost irrespectively which disks disappeares for whatever reason but the log is only written in the first disk and it is not recorded mirrored in the second disk.

[vimes 0]

At which software or interface do you see your attached pictures and under which menu?

 

Hikvision Tools...

 

 

SADP for the Live View Image and Bandwidth calculator for the other.

 

Hikvision Tools(V1.0.0.2) Setup

 

http://www.hikvision.com/en/download_more.asp?id=1178

Edited August 17, 2014 by Guest

[vimes 0]

I also have doubts about the proper functioning of motion detection. I have several examples where specific motion events hae no been detected. Thankfully I had specified the whole system to have enough bandwidth and storage for continuous recording. So now I am operating on continuous recording 24x7 to be safe. The annoying thing is that when the disks get filled up and the overwrite of the oldest recording begins the available free space on the disks is always 0, which is right but obviously meaningless after the first overwrite.

 

I also have two disks for redundancy. I discovered that the video is never lost irrespectively which disks disappeares for whatever reason but the log is only written in the first disk and it is not recorded mirrored in the second disk.

 

It is annoying when I seem to be able to capture a potted plant swaying a fraction but then miss a person walking by...! Or that some activity is clipped due to anomalies in the consistency with the motion detection. I have only one disk in my NVR, a WD 4TB purple. With the system being quite new it has not yet filled up. But, like you, I have got the ability for 24/7 recording and the bandwidth calculator shows that I'm just at the edge of what is claimed to be support for the NVR. The free space showing as 0 might be "right" but it is less than useful once the disk as filled up for the first time.

 

The motion detection anomalies do not seem new to me as my analogue systems would also have this issue. The missing motion capture aspect of either my previous systems or this Hikvision set up could not be entirely trusted for reliability in having just motion recordings.

 

I just like them as they flag the recordings with "markers" which have some use when reviewing recordings.

 

Hence my reasoning, if you prefer to use the time-line aspect of the web interface, for the motion detection flags to be shown on the otherwise solid blue time-line.

[aster1x 0]

OK I get it. The bandwidth calculator is a theoretical calculation tool.

 

In my setup (7604NI-SEP + 2CD2332) the camera is connected to the NVR PoE switch, it has an IP 192.168.254.2 and the NVR LAN IP is 192.168.1.XXX. In this configuration the cameras belong to a different subnet and he SADP canot see them. How have you managed to see the cameras with SADP tool?? Have you created a loop back from the NVR PoE switch to the main LAN?

[vimes 0]

All six of my cameras are connected to a Netgear 8 port POE switch. I have not used any of the POE ports on the NVR. I have manually assigned each of the IP addresses (inc subnet) and gateways etc for each of the devices using the SADP utility.

 

 

 

Why do you not use that tool to assign them with the same subnet as the NVR...?

[aster1x 0]

OK now I understand how you do it.

 

Here are my reasons for using the internal PoE switch of the NVR:

1. One less equipment (switch) thus cheaper

2. Less cables, and smaller footprint

3. When cameras are connected to the internal PoE of the NVR they are more secured (i.e. not accesible from the WAN side easily especially if you disable the Virtual Host feature of the NVR firmware 2.3.9.

4. (The most important reason) The camera traffic does not appear or broadcasted in my lan which I use for very large file transfers and therefore my LAN switch is not taxed with additional traffic switching and processing.

[vimes 0]

As I needed six cameras I knew that the NVR I chose only had four POE connections at the back but allowed a total of eight cameras to be connected. I did not wish to spend the money on the 16 channel Hikvision NVR as it was too costly, even though the increased bandwidth and four extra POE ports might have been useful. Also I wasn't sure how "good" the POE aspect of the NVR was at delivering power and how it could be "managed" compared to the features on my managed 8 port switch. I had read a thread expressing some concerns over the POE module used in the Hikvision NVR's, not sure how valid that was though.

Only once one of my cameras became not accessible with an abnormal network error. Rather than go into the loft etc or outside and up a ladder I just used the web interface for the POE Switch and turned off its power to that cam and thus invoked a reboot, this, thankfully, brought it back to life. Little things like that warm me to the switch.

 

I could have injected the power to each camera differently to POE but to be frank my analogue system was a mess of wiring and many PSU's etc and one important factor for me was to simplify and tidy it all up.

 

I bought the managed Netgear 8 port POE switch so that it will supply power to all of my cams (six) and then the last two ports being used for the NVR directly (LAN port) and the final port for my internal network, connected to a different Switch. They seem to draw 32w in total when the IR are on at night so there is still spare capacity there.

 

Doing it the way I did means that the NVR to the Netgear POE switch is a straight connection and thus has no impact on my LAN, unless I am accessing the cameras etc.

 

Finally not needing the NVR close to where the wires of the camera enter the building allows me to hide the NVR wherever I wish as they are connected directly via that POE switch and thus only need a single (and not six) Ethernet connection.

 

I do not consider security to be a concern with my set up.

 

Still not sure why you would want a different subnet as you have your set up...?

[bijalshah01 0]

How did you use the web interface for the POE Switch and turned off its power? Can you please help me?

 

Thanks

 

Bijal

 

 

As I needed six cameras I knew that the NVR I chose only had four POE connections at the back but allowed a total of eight cameras to be connected. I did not wish to spend the money on the 16 channel Hikvision NVR as it was too costly, even though the increased bandwidth and four extra POE ports might have been useful. Also I wasn't sure how "good" the POE aspect of the NVR was at delivering power and how it could be "managed" compared to the features on my managed 8 port switch. I had read a thread expressing some concerns over the POE module used in the Hikvision NVR's, not sure how valid that was though.

Only once one of my cameras became not accessible with an abnormal network error. Rather than go into the loft etc or outside and up a ladder I just used the web interface for the POE Switch and turned off its power to that cam and thus invoked a reboot, this, thankfully, brought it back to life. Little things like that warm me to the switch.

 

I could have injected the power to each camera differently to POE but to be frank my analogue system was a mess of wiring and many PSU's etc and one important factor for me was to simplify and tidy it all up.

 

I bought the managed Netgear 8 port POE switch so that it will supply power to all of my cams (six) and then the last two ports being used for the NVR directly (LAN port) and the final port for my internal network, connected to a different Switch. They seem to draw 32w in total when the IR are on at night so there is still spare capacity there.

 

Doing it the way I did means that the NVR to the Netgear POE switch is a straight connection and thus has no impact on my LAN, unless I am accessing the cameras etc.

 

Finally not needing the NVR close to where the wires of the camera enter the building allows me to hide the NVR wherever I wish as they are connected directly via that POE switch and thus only need a single (and not six) Ethernet connection.

 

I do not consider security to be a concern with my set up.

 

Still not sure why you would want a different subnet as you have your set up...?

[Sabolich 0]

The following is a fake mock up of what I would have liked.....

 

 

 

I realize this is a very old string, but can anyone please tell me if there are any 16 and/or 32 channel (preferably half of those channels being POE and the other half being wi-fi, but I'd settle for all POE) NVR options out there to where I can both continuously record AND still have event markers at the same time so that I can look only at the marker triggers, but still scrub through the rest if I want? Also, looking for a solution that doesn't require ongoing licensing costs and preferably a simpler DIY / low maintenance type of system as this is just going into a sober living house.

 

I recently had a motion trigger based system. A bike got stolen off our porch a week later because the motion didn't trigger the camera. So I want continuous recording as a back up, but want event markers for day to day reviewing.

 

Thanks in advance.

[SmokeyBill 0]

Does anyone know how to record continuous but show motion on the playback time ribbon?