robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 If you were to build a system for a small casino 15 to 20 tables, cameras, dvr's, monitors. ptz, etc...what brand would you go for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crirvine 0 Posted February 22, 2006 With it being what it is I would not use the cheap stuff. I would use PELCO or GE ptz and cams and anygood dvr that uses pelco D protocals. Yes I know but they will want name brand. Plus you do not want to have to goto the site for little problems plus they should pay good and not shy away from good equipment. Also look to see with company will back you up in court over the recorded video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMANOFNVS 0 Posted February 22, 2006 Pelco is big in casinos. Do you have any idea on how many cameras they are looking at? Covi is a big casino camera for the tables they love the fact that they can use one camera to do 4 cameras job and installers like them for the same thing. Are you walk the job and specifing the equipment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 thanks crirvine.. -Jman.. actually they want the good stuff...GE,Pelco..i knew about them but was woundering about ALL the others ,bosch,mitsubishi,ad,dm etc... _and more then 50 cameras Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMANOFNVS 0 Posted February 22, 2006 I would use a CM9780 or CM9770 matrix, or you thinking Endura? Bosch is good but a pain as for Mit, AD, and DM...well AD has matrix but not near as good as pelco's. DM and Mit. are not really geared to much towards this application. With GE you could go lots of directions with there matrix or with just DVMRE's and software. Honestly I have never sold a GE matrix so I can't vouch for how good they are but the rest of there stuff is good and I have sold lots of Pelco Matrix systems as well as components to update old systems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 Jman, i was looking at the covi website...cmos?... and there dvr's seems good also...Pelco was my original pick but Ge also as some good points...where the hell is rory at... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icrealtime 0 Posted February 22, 2006 Many of my dealers have done large casino and or gaming jobs. The main thing that I would look for is very high res recording and playback at realtime(30fps per CH). Casinos unlike many applications actually use playback quite often and rely on it for many things, one of which would be bill and/or chip recognition. The other thing would look for in a DVR is that it supports multiple PTZ protocols. They often have existing PTZ and do not want to replace them for they still work well. When selecting cameras for the job make sure that have a good blc(backlight compensation). There is often tricky lighting in casinos with a mix between fluorescents and often neon which alot of the time will trick a cheaper camera. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted February 22, 2006 JMan would have more experience in this area, we got 2 casinos down here but they dont hire any locals to do the work there .. so really I cant say, I cant even go in the casino here .. play a game and its prison and a fine.. But I would look at GE, Pelco, Ultrack, and Ganz. AD seems to have some interesting MAtrix systems now also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMANOFNVS 0 Posted February 22, 2006 Ya I know I thought the same thing when I seen it was c-mos but the rep came in and did a demo and its a sweet camera for the price...HD quality so the digital zoom doesn't get all grainy so fast. I have also heard of Nice being good for casino's but I am not a disty for them so have never seen there products. I juts priced Pelco and GE similar systems and they are about the same in price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 Alright. so Pelco and Ge for recording device...cameras and ptzs?...covi and..?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted February 22, 2006 A job like that I would stick to one brand if you can. I like the GE PTZ Keypad controller myself ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 sorry i meant OR instead of AND... i do like to install all of the same brand..but if a camera is so much better then the dvr brand i picked then yeah i would go for it...i'm very intrigue by COVI...cmos??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMANOFNVS 0 Posted February 22, 2006 What Pelco system were you thinking about, matrix, DX8000's or Endura? Pelco also has Mini Spectra's now!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Securitymaster 0 Posted February 22, 2006 American Dynamics is the standard in the gaming industry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JMANOFNVS 0 Posted February 22, 2006 AD might be the standard but then I would have to say Pelco, GE, and Bosch are above standard. I have only been doing this for a couple years and have not once been asked to spec or quote an AD Matrix. I have sold some of there domes and even a couple intellix dvr's and have heard good thing about there new compression, the AD matrix's I here about need parts or replacing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted February 22, 2006 I know its all Ultrack and Ganz down here ... Check out this company, they do alot of Casinos. They also did the Atlantis Casino down here (should have worked with locals for service but thats how some people are!@!) Anyway, http://www.reliablesecurity.com/morongo_project.htm http://www.reliablesecurity.com/lco_project.htm http://www.reliablesecurity.com/tulalip_intro.htm http://www.reliablesecurity.com/lucaya_intro.htm http://www.reliablesecurity.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frosted 0 Posted February 22, 2006 im guessing this would be a good application for high end megapixel cameras? or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robzee67 0 Posted February 22, 2006 yes frosted....need to be able to see cards, tokens, any small details... Ademco looks to have a good matrix setup..anyone experienced it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G-MEN 0 Posted February 22, 2006 We have an AD 1024 matrix and we use all AD PTZ's. For cameras we mainly use panasonic but we also have Ganz, Sanyo, Ultrak and ARM in use. Covi cameras are great for detail, we tried several options, but only the Covi cameras could identify the pips and the suit of the cards from a 30 foot ceiling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted February 22, 2006 they got alot of 1/2" 800TVL cameras out now (which is what the Covi is) ..the Koreans are making them and then there is also Sony. They are not even that expensive, the camera alone, once you can build your own housing. They also have 800TVL Block Cameras, add a motor to it and put it in a dome, you got yourself a High Res PTZ .. shorter range though as they are typically only 12X and 1/2". So if you have a huge job it could warrant purchasing from the Manufacturers like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Joe Bal 0 Posted February 27, 2006 The Nice Vision is a good DVR for Casinos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sretooh 0 Posted March 2, 2006 robzee - another thing to consider when doing a casino job is your video retention in days. the casinos we have bid on all required around 3 months at 30fps per channel it doesn't take very long to eat that hard drive space up. if you use Endura dedicate a private network with a Gigabit backbone for the install - each camera at 4cif/30ips is streaming 2Mbps and you need dedicated WorkStations (WS050 from Pelco) to view video. NO VIEWING VIA A STANDARD WEB BROWSER. The WS5050 along with the Storage Expansion Bays and NVRs all require Gigabit switches to communicate. Expensive but nice system. I'd go with Pelco - CM6800 (if you have less than 96 cameras & no training required) and DX8000s for recording. (however it can only do 30ips/per channel at CIF res) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Bal 0 Posted March 2, 2006 HI Sretooh, I have never heard of a casino wanting 3 months of video retention. the longest I have ever heard of is 30 days. according the NIGA wich regulats Indian casinos you only need 7 days. as far a having to use a web brouser, you should get your facts streight becaus any enterprise digital recording system weather it be NICE Endura by pelco or uvms or honeywell, cypics. any of the big players that offer digital recording all of them use a dedicated workstation and not a web browser. As far as pelco goes they have had 4 differant enterprise digital systems (DX 9000 series) witch none of them talk to each other, because Pelco does not make them they just slaped ther label on them. The Endura system is there new system. So far I have heard from very reliable sorces in the Casino industry that there have been alot of problems. In my opion the system is to new in the market to be considered a great system. Let them go two years without completely rebuilding the system and calling it somthing else and I will be sold on the Endura. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recombinant 0 Posted March 3, 2006 according the NIGA wich regulats Indian casinos you only need 7 days. as far a having to use a web brouser, you should get your facts streight becaus any enterprise digital recording system weather it be NICE Endura by pelco or uvms or honeywell, cypics. any of the big players that offer digital recording all of them use a dedicated workstation and not a web browser. Sounds like someone who has had some dealings with the gaming vertical market.....+1 Joe Bal. Before you pick a DVR, you should find out what the gaming regulations dictate for the casino you installing in. Every gaming body has recording regulations, NGC, NIGA, etc, and they are all a little different. Your DVR needs to implicitly comply with these regs. Once you have selected your DVR, then consider your matrix. Usually higher end manufactures that have NVR/DVR systems that meet gaming regs will have matrix switches will full on integration to the NVR/DVR system. Good luck in your search, robzee67, I hope the project goes well for you!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
