Port Forwarding??

[01sporty 0]

I've been trying to wrap my head around this whole port forwarding thing and I'm really not even sure if that is what I need.

 

I got a Flir package for Christmas and have steadily been replacing the old analog cameras. (http://www.flirsecurity.com/pro/product/dn308p2e6-hd-poe-nvr-ip-camera-security-bundle/)

 

Half of the cameras are being mounted on the shop which is already wired to the office with cat6 so I bought a POE switch and plugged the cameras into that. The switch, in turn, runs to the router in the office. The NVR is plugged into the router, as well.

 

The router has assigned addresses to the NVR and each of the cameras as I have brought them on line and I've been able to access each of them in my browser. Perfect!!!! The assigned addresses are the 192.xxx.xxx.xxx format.

 

I just installed my first camera on the office which plugs into a POE port on the NVR. It found the camera just fine and started recording it but it is not sending it out to my network. The address it is assigning is the 10.xxx.xxx.xxx format.

 

Do I need port forwarding? All of the info I'm finding talks about setting it up to send everything out over the internet. I have no need for that. I just want to be able to see each of my cameras on any of my computers.

 

TIA

[01sporty 0]

Ok, the more I think about it and read about it, the less I think I need port forwarding. I do think I need something similar.

 

I think the NVR is acting like a router and has set up it's own network. I just need to get the two networks to talk to each other.

 

Sounds easy until you get into the particulars. Here's a discussion of a similar problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1647778/connect-lan.html

The solutions are far ranging from 'sounds simple' to 'really? you want me to add another router?'.

 

This discussion sounds more hopeful: http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/connect-networks-ip-addresses/

I don't really understand it yet but when I get more time, I hope to see if I can't get it to work with my system.

 

I'll try and get some screenshots to post.

[Boogieman 1]

Ok, the more I think about it and read about it, the less I think I need port forwarding. I do think I need something similar.

 

I think the NVR is acting like a router and has set up it's own network. I just need to get the two networks to talk to each other.

 

Sounds easy until you get into the particulars. Here's a discussion of a similar problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1647778/connect-lan.html

The solutions are far ranging from 'sounds simple' to 'really? you want me to add another router?'.

 

This discussion sounds more hopeful: http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/connect-networks-ip-addresses/

I don't really understand it yet but when I get more time, I hope to see if I can't get it to work with my system.

 

I'll try and get some screenshots to post.

The NVR sets up its own "mini network"..there a are several was off connecting directly to the camera but you will need to connect your pc to one of the NVR ports...there are several threads on the forum discussing this with respect to hikvision NVR's

[01sporty 0]

goodolick, Boogieman,

 

Thanks for the replies. There are 5 computers on the network. Getting each of them talking to the new network sounds a bit tedious to me.

 

I was really hoping for a way to get the two networks talking to each other so they act as a single network.

[01sporty 0]

Help me make sure I understand the topology.

 

Let me know if I am understanding correctly.

 

 

Your NVR is hosting LAN1 and a 192.168.1.0/24 network handing out DHCP addresses to your cameras. Your NVR has an address of something like 192.168.1.1 and has it's default gateway pointing LAN2s router on your 10.x network.

Your 10.x network is your regular internal LAN for all your computers and other devices, and the 10.x net is hide natting behind your internet connection.

 

 

You are trying to access the NVR from but your internal 10.x net as well as from the internet?

 

Your NVR is hosting LAN1 and a 192.168.1.0/24 network handing out DHCP addresses to your cameras.

 

No. My LAN1 is my router. Until this last camera, everything has been handled by my router. It has given everything addresses of the form 192.168.1.xxx. This includes all of the cameras and the NVR.

 

Your 10.x network is your regular internal LAN for all your computers and other devices, and the 10.x net is hide natting behind your internet connection.

 

No. The 10.x network was created by the NVR. The last camera I installed was the first camera to be plugged directly into the NVR. It was assigned an address of 10.1.1.xxx. I'm not sure what the internal address is of the NVR but I suspect it's 10.1.1.1. And, I suspect it may actually be a switch. Can a switch assign addresses? Maybe its 8 ports have permanent address assigned to them?

 

I say this because of this setup page. The IP Address, Subnet Mask and Default Gateway values all can be changed but I'm very hesitant to just start trying stuff. I'd really hate to lock myself out.

[01sporty 0]

RS232: Service only; not in use.

 

That's a quote from the manual. The RS232 port is there but there is no telling how useful it is.

 

The manual is very good at going over the obvious in great detail and keeping the hard stuff secret.

Typical.

 

Here's a link to it: http://www.flirsecurity.com/pro/product/dn308p2e6-hd-poe-nvr-ip-camera-security-bundle/

[01sporty 0]

While you're there, there's a file called: IP-Cameras-Networking-FAQ_EN_R1.pdf

 

My setup is just like 'Scenario 2: 8-Channel NVR with 4 PoE Ports and 8 IP Cameras'.

[01sporty 0]

Cool. It's a Motorola NVG510. AT&T.

Let me know if you need any screenshots or whatever.

[01sporty 0]

Here's something you may or may not find interesting.

In the Firewall/NAT/Gaming tab, there's something called Service and Needed by Device.

In the Service dropdown there are a bunch of games and things like SMTP and Pop3.

In the Needed by Device dropdown, a bunch of my stuff is listed. The last four are the NVR and the three cameras that I can access.

Under that is Manage Custom Services. Is any of this helpful?

[01sporty 0]

I'm back.

I checked my router and couldn't find anything like what you're showing.

 

So, I found an AT&T forum to see what they had to say. Bottom line is my router is lacking in those kind of advanced features.

 

Just to make sure I had tried everything, I contacted tech support at Flir. They confirmed that any cameras that are connected directly to the NVR are only visible on the NVR not on the network.

 

That's pretty much what I expected to hear but I never hurts to check.

 

When I purchased the unit I had assumed the 8 POE ports worked like a built in POE switch. If I had known how useless those ports are for my situation I would have bought a plain Jane unit without any ports. Even from the NVR I could find no way to directly access the camera menus. Those menus have a lot of good stuff. I wonder if this is a common situation? I haven't seen any other discussion on it.

 

So, I was left with the hardware solution. A bit of good news there. The NVR came equipped with two power supplies. A 12 vdc for the recorder and a 48 vdc, 2.5 amp for the POE ports. I found a 7 port POE switch that can be purchased separately from the power supply and just happens to be a perfect match for that 2-1/2 amp unit that came with the NVR.

 

I'll let you know how it works out when the switch arrives.

[msnow 0]

Here's what I did on my Flir DNR400. It is the 16 channel model with 8 PoE's. 1) connect your router to the ethernet input as normal then connect another cable from your router (or switch if you have that) to one of the PoE ports. You will then be able to see all of the cameras on your local network instead of the 10.x.x.x network.