lostsoul65 0 Posted April 12, 2015 I'm selling my house and I would like to know who comes in and what they are saying and if it's legal and if so what would be the best system for something like this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boogieman 1 Posted April 12, 2015 I'm selling my house and I would like to know who comes in and what they are saying and if it's legal and if so what would be the best system for something like this? If you are in the US, it is against the law to record the conversation...some states allow you to record when you are a party to the conversation, but if you are trying to eavesdrop it is not legal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numb-nuts 1 Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) What makes you think they may be discussing anything illegal? If you are suspicious of who is coming in then you should get a different real estate agent that you can trust or be there at EVERY viewing. I really fell for THAT one didn't I? Edited April 14, 2015 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lostsoul65 0 Posted April 12, 2015 Thanks for your reply, it makes since, but I just didn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
satsecure 0 Posted April 13, 2015 A motion detection video system on a residential property is completely justified. As for audio, I believe it is legal in the US and UK with consent and when necessary but only with consent, even on residential properties. Here are the legal privacy guidelines ICO in the UK provide: The use of audio recording, particularly where it is continuous, will, in most situations, be considered more privacy intrusive than purely visual recording. Its use will therefore require much greater justification. Audio recording should only be used where: You have identified a need or issue which can be characterised as a pressing social need and can evidence that this need must be addressed. 1. You have considered other less privacy intrusive methods of addressing the need. 2. Having reviewed the other less privacy intrusive methods, you have concluded that these will not appropriately address the identified issue and the only way to address the issue is through the use of audio recording. 3. You should ensure that at the point of purchase of the audio system all appropriate privacy by design methods have been incorporated into the system. If you have already bought the system, you should look to see if you can incorporate any privacy by design technologies. 4. If you are using audio recording you should make sure that the system you have bought provides a high enough quality of recording to achieve your stated aim. 5. You should make it clear to data subjects that audio recording is taking place, over and above any visual recording which is already occurring. 6. The best way to make sure these requirements are met is to carry out a thorough privacy impact assessment. (Please also see section 7.2 for specific detail on audio recording in relation to BWV systems). Below are some examples of where audio monitoring and recording may be justified. However, if you can evidence that you have gone through the process above, you may be able to justify other uses of audio recording. Audio based alert systems, such as those triggered by changes in noise patterns such as sudden shouting. Conversations must not be recorded, and operators should not listen in. Two-way audio feeds from ‘help points’ covered by CCTV cameras, where these are activated by the person requiring assistance. Conversations between staff and particular individuals where a reliable record is needed of what was said so it might be used as evidence in an investigation, such as in the charging area of a police custody suite. Where recording is triggered due to a specific threat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numb-nuts 1 Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) A motion detection video system on a residential property is completely justified. As for audio, I believe it is legal in the US and UK with consent and when necessary but only with consent, even on residential properties. Here are the legal privacy guidelines ICO in the UK provide: The use of audio recording, particularly where it is continuous, will, in most situations, be considered more privacy intrusive than purely visual recording. Its use will therefore require much greater justification. Audio recording should only be used where: ? You have identified a need or issue which can be characterised as a pressing social need and can evidence that this need must be addressed. 1. You have considered other less privacy intrusive methods of addressing the need. 2. Having reviewed the other less privacy intrusive methods, you have concluded that these will not appropriately address the identified issue and the only way to address the issue is through the use of audio recording. 3. You should ensure that at the point of purchase of the audio system all appropriate privacy by design methods have been incorporated into the system. If you have already bought the system, you should look to see if you can incorporate any privacy by design technologies. 4. If you are using audio recording you should make sure that the system you have bought provides a high enough quality of recording to achieve your stated aim. 5. You should make it clear to data subjects that audio recording is taking place, over and above any visual recording which is already occurring. 6. The best way to make sure these requirements are met is to carry out a thorough privacy impact assessment. (Please also see section 7.2 for specific detail on audio recording in relation to BWV systems). Below are some examples of where audio monitoring and recording may be justified. However, if you can evidence that you have gone through the process above, you may be able to justify other uses of audio recording. ? Audio based alert systems, such as those triggered by changes in noise patterns such as sudden shouting. Conversations must not be recorded, and operators should not listen in. ? Two-way audio feeds from ‘help points’ covered by CCTV cameras, where these are activated by the person requiring assistance. ? Conversations between staff and particular individuals where a reliable record is needed of what was said so it might be used as evidence in an investigation, such as in the charging area of a police custody suite. ? Where recording is triggered due to a specific threat. Edited April 14, 2015 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samir 0 Posted April 13, 2015 While the legality of recorded footage used for legal actions may be debatable (as well as the right to record such footage in the first place), you can always record what you want for yourself. If no one else sees it, does it really exist? / Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numb-nuts 1 Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Edited April 14, 2015 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samir 0 Posted April 13, 2015 INTERPRETER PLEASE! Record it if you want, legal or not, because if you're the only one seeing it, it won't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numb-nuts 1 Posted April 14, 2015 INTERPRETER PLEASE! Record it if you want, legal or not, because if you're the only one seeing it, it won't matter. You are absolutely priceless......... ha ha ha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bass1176 0 Posted April 14, 2015 I'm selling my house and I would like to know who comes in and what they are saying and if it's legal and if so what would be the best system for something like this? Immediately this came to mind. Its your house you can do anything you like inside and no one should expect any privacy, as per the below case. Audio is always a sensitive issue, might be more of an issue then video. I dont think the below case had audio, but the judge ruled in the owners favor on portions of the claims. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/23/lawsuit-real-estate-agents-used-n-j-couples-home-to-have-sex-in/ Look up the Mobius action cam, it has a great motion detection feature, and not much work is involved and very discrete. Size of a match box car. All you need is a power outlet, I feel this is a better solution then an all out system on a house your selling. Just be creative on placement. Two of them would cover a good area, both also have audio which works from a distance. Cost about $65 each without an SD card. Camera by itself without power, has a 3.5 hour standby span. which was recently upgraded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Numb-nuts 1 Posted April 14, 2015 just look up you've been punked.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites