Building new system, please help.

[737ngx 0]

Hello All,

 

I have just joint this forum to ask your help for creating a simple security system for my house.

Right now I have an Elro C903IP (cheap) connected to a windows computer over WiFi

I like this idea but I would like to replace this single outdoor camera with 2 new outdoor cameras

of a little better quality and start using the motion control for recording. This one I have independently of how you set up

the motion sensor, it's just has a mind of his own, sometimes picks up a fly and sometimes doesn't even pick up a truck.

 

I would like to keep it simple but functional, and considering that this is a topic I know nothing about,

I don't know where to start. I tried to read various posts in the last few days but I really get lost .

 

Is there any chance that somebody can list what I should buy that would not require me getting a new mortgage ?

 

Thanks so much and if you need extra information please let me know.

 

Thanks

Nic

[zr1 0]

Outdoor

Sealed enough from the elements, preferably IP66 rating

 

Seeing details on the recording

IP Cams are the future and provide high definition.

Analog (even if it says "960H") simply doesn't give the details in the video.

High-definition analog (TVI, SDI, AHD, others..you can't mix these technologies together at this time) do give a pretty picture (not as high-def as IP), but these are meant as stop-gap technologies for those that have coax cable already installed to make their upgrade less expensive. I wouldn't go with one of these on a fresh install.

 

DVR/NVR or PC

you can run it on a PC with good CPU horsepower. Though for a less work system, a dedicated NVR-device will do everything and is a setup-and-near-forget deal. If you like to tinker with tech, sure, the PC. But for most people, the dedicated NVR-device is the way to go.

 

Wireless = uh....yeah.

Wired systems are way more reliable. Wireless systems get radio interference or simply just drop the connection. For our smartphones that never leave our hands, we're on them all day long so we know when we're offline and tap that once every three days to reconnect. But for a security camera system, few people are watching their status all day long. Some systems have an alert to email/text you if a camera goes offline, but it's still not 100%.

 

Running the wire is a chore and half, no doubt. But it's the best technology we have for a system that we don't want to have to babysit.

Pay now, or pay for it while you use it.

 

Motion

On current NVR's, the motion setting is somewhat adjustable. But if a moth flies too close to the camera, it'll trigger a motion event. But even with that, most of the businesses and customers I work with go with motion recording...extends hard drive storage dramatically and makes it way easier to find an event rather than looking through 24/7 recording.

 

Brands, etc.

On this site, there's plenty of recommendations for Hikvision and also Dahua. They give good quality, built pretty robust, and are a good dollar value.

The full kits at Costco and such would work fine for many residential applications. Though it's a standard kit. So you close cameras will have too much cable and your far cameras won't have enough. But they work out of the box and give a pretty picture. In some cases though, the weather-resistance/reliability isn't up to par.

 

Brand A/B mixing

With some of the near-common protocols such as ONVIF, it's doable to mix brands on IP cameras...but for simply less hassle, if you can stick with a single brand, I find it cuts down any compatibility issues dramatically and also makes for a 1-stop shop for tech support (rather than 2 different companies blaming each other as to why it doesn't work).

[SunnyKim 2]

IP Cams are the future and provide high definition.

Analog (even if it says "960H") simply doesn't give the details in the video.

High-definition analog (TVI, SDI, AHD, others..you can't mix these technologies together at this time) do give a pretty picture (not as high-def as IP), but these are meant as stop-gap technologies for those that have coax cable already installed to make their upgrade less expensive. I wouldn't go with one of these on a fresh install.

Zr1, mostly correct. Please allow me to add.

IP camera compresses digital video data before sending; Lossy compression, not recovered 100 % to the original video, not as a zipped file of 100% reproduction. IP camera goes for mostly 100 to 1 compression ratio, thus a slight degradation of video quality, unavoidable.

In picture quality-wise, HD-SDI tops all over, IP, HD TVI, CVI, AHD, and others. Because HD-SDI sends/receives the raw video digital data, uncompressed. This one was originally invented for studio quality in broadcasting stations, but being used for CCTV industry as well, though expensive.

HD TVI /CVI/AHD employs a kind of amplitude modulation, like AM radio, thus it is not 100 percent to reproduce the quality as exactly as the video data captured. You can expect a gradual degradation, of course, but robust not to lose a single video frame, once synchronized. But IP Camera has a good chance to lose 2~3 seconds of video frames, any time unexpectedly, just as you experience when playing internet or smart-phones.

Though limited to 80 meter ~ 100 meter or so, HD-SDI/TVI/CVI/AHD are to be limited in the cable length and cable quality, because they have to send much larger data in much higher rate, compared to IP cameras. But these do not have a time-lag (latency), good for a spot monitoring, as observed, not possible, in IP Camera.

[Boogieman 1]

SDI has no place in a new home install. It should be IP. End of story. SDI does not trump IP in image quality. Comparing SDI security cameras to the cameras they use in TV studios is like comparing a chevy to a ferrari.

Run ethernet, install POE IP cameras. The new hikvision 4mp cameras have great image quality and improved low light and night vision over the 3mp.

[SunnyKim 2]

SDI has no place in a new home install. It should be IP. End of story. SDI does not trump IP in image quality. Comparing SDI security cameras to the cameras they use in TV studios is like comparing a chevy to a ferrari.

Run ethernet, install POE IP cameras. The new hikvision 4mp cameras have great image quality and improved low light and night vision over the 3mp.

I thought this guy knows something, but learned that he knew nothing but 4 mp camera from Hikvision. Go get a brand new vaccum at Cosco.

[737ngx 0]

Thanks Guys for the information you provided.

Just let me remind you one more time that I am a total newbie to this stuff

so if I ask the stupid question please don't hate me

 

Camera

An Hikvision 4MP has been suggested below, I checked it on YouTube and the quality looks great,

a little pricy especially if in future I intend to add more cameras but I think for two to start with I can manage,

I also liked that they say there is no need for port forwarding, I hate getting into that.

Is there much difference form the Hikvision 4MP and the Hikvision 3MP from an image quality and setup?

 

NVR

I had no idea what an NVR was so I googled it. Hikvision also makes NVR but there is all sort of prices

I am not sure what is that would be good for me. Prices range form 100 euro to over 1000 euro.

What type of detail should I be looking for considering that this is just for my house I do not have a business?

 

Thank you so much guys.

 

Nic

[SunnyKim 2]

There are some crazy guys, in this forum, who keep promoting HiEnd ones. 4MP without 4MP monitors. What's use?

What's use for your 1080P(2MP) TV or monitor? You may get troubled with tech support issues, frame rate drop and compatibility issues from the limit of NVR processing power. What I think a good one for home application is analog system. It's cheap and simple. Just Plug and Go. Analog Camera: around U$20 each, and Stand alone DVR (for 4 Ch, each WD1 recording) around U$40, online market. You have to add a monitor and HDD. That's all for beginner and you can get help easily around your neighbor.

[Boogieman 1]

SDI has no place in a new home install. It should be IP. End of story. SDI does not trump IP in image quality. Comparing SDI security cameras to the cameras they use in TV studios is like comparing a chevy to a ferrari.

Run ethernet, install POE IP cameras. The new hikvision 4mp cameras have great image quality and improved low light and night vision over the 3mp.

I thought this guy knows something, but learned that he knew nothing but 4 mp camera from Hikvision. Go get a brand new vaccum at Cosco.

Stop trying to sell you junk via this forum. Please use a better chinese to english translation software. Why do you always suggest junk low resolution analog. Or in this case sdi, which cannot compare to ip, and is only useful in very select applications? Its because your company sells junk analog and you are here to promote it.

[Boogieman 1]

Thanks Guys for the information you provided.

Just let me remind you one more time that I am a total newbie to this stuff

so if I ask the stupid question please don't hate me

 

Camera

An Hikvision 4MP has been suggested below, I checked it on YouTube and the quality looks great,

a little pricy especially if in future I intend to add more cameras but I think for two to start with I can manage,

I also liked that they say there is no need for port forwarding, I hate getting into that.

Is there much difference form the Hikvision 4MP and the Hikvision 3MP from an image quality and setup?

 

NVR

I had no idea what an NVR was so I googled it. Hikvision also makes NVR but there is all sort of prices

I am not sure what is that would be good for me. Prices range form 100 euro to over 1000 euro.

What type of detail should I be looking for considering that this is just for my house I do not have a business?

 

Thank you so much guys.

 

Nic

the 4mp cameras have much better low light and night vision than the 3mp...

Be wary where you purchase from because you may have firmware issues, and confirm that the hikvision NVR you purchase will work with the 4mp cameras..

If you want to save some money, the 2mp also have better low light performance than the 3mp...

[jeromephone 6]

I would go IP with wired cat6 run spares if possible POE switch NVR or PC with software your choice.

 

Buy from a US dealer that provides tech support even if you pay a little more up front you will be happier.

 

Just look through these forums and see all those seeking advice about cameras purchased from overseas with no manuals and no warranty

[SunnyKim 2]

Stop trying to sell you junk via this forum. Please use a better chinese to english translation software. Why do you always suggest junk low resolution analog. Or in this case sdi, which cannot compare to ip, and is only useful in very select applications? Its because your company sells junk analog and you are here to promote it.

This boogieman seems to believe Hikvision is the High Tech American Company. That's funny, once promoting Hik's 3MP, now 4MP camera. This guy does not understand why 90% of Las Vegas is still in analog system. He believes that they do not have money and they are not smart enough to understand how IP camera works. In our terms, a dumb frog at the bottom of a well does not see the world outside.

[Boogieman 1]

Stop trying to sell you junk via this forum. Please use a better chinese to english translation software. Why do you always suggest junk low resolution analog. Or in this case sdi, which cannot compare to ip, and is only useful in very select applications? Its because your company sells junk analog and you are here to promote it.

This boogieman seems to believe Hikvision is the High Tech American Company. That's funny, once promoting Hik's 3MP, now 4MP camera. This guy does not understand why 90% of Las Vegas is still in analog system. He believes that they do not have money and they are not smart enough to understand how IP camera works. In our terms, a dumb frog at the bottom of a well does not see the world outside.

I think you have it wrong. The op is a homeowner. In english that means he owns his own home, not a casino. Its not your fault, im sure your english to chinese software made an error and your though he was a casino. He cannot have 60 cameras each with a 12mm lens each covering the size of a table. Kapish? He doesnt need spot monitoring. Stop recommendation low resolution junk cameras to end users here.

If there a 2 second delay in the stream it wont matter to him. With IP he gets MUCH better image quality than your analog junk. POE so he doesnt need to run separate power. The ability to stream direct from the camera to an NVR as well as a hidden nas or a second nvr. The ability to run the cameras to a single switch then only run 1 wire back to the network instead of having to home run each and every camera. There is no good reason to install analog in a home in 2015. Doing so is simply not proper and is done by those looking to save a few bux on equipment and dont care about future changes to the system. Please stop peddling your analog junk.

Whats funny about promoting the hikvision 4mp cameras? They have improved low light and night vision over the hikvsion 3mp. I know its hard for you to understand that technology improves because your company is still making and selling cameras with crappy D1 resolution. For the record the q-see cameras I recommend in the other thread were rebranded dahua not hikvision. Again please do the end users a favor and stop recommending that they waste their money on your companies literally useless low end junk. By the time they realize their mistake they have to rip out coax and replace with ethernet. Shame on you SunnyKim for recommending garbage just so your company can make a sale. Walk with your head down in shame. Stop recommending D1 garbage resolution in 2015.

[SunnyKim 2]

Stop booging around. I am repeating for your understanding, boogieman.

No cannon is needed for killing roaches at home.

There are some crazy guys, in this forum, who keep promoting HiEnd ones. 4MP without 4MP monitors. What's use?

What's use for your 1080P(2MP) TV or monitor? You may get troubled with tech support issues, frame rate drop and compatibility issues from the limit of NVR processing power. What I think a good one for home application is analog system. It's cheap and simple. Just Plug and Go. Analog Camera: around U$20 each, and Stand alone DVR (for 4 Ch, each WD1 recording) around U$40, online market. You have to add a monitor and HDD. That's all for beginner and you can get help easily around your neighbor.

[Boogieman 1]

Stop booging around. I am repeating for your understanding, boogieman.

No cannon is needed for killing roaches at home.

There are some crazy guys, in this forum, who keep promoting HiEnd ones. 4MP without 4MP monitors. What's use?

What's use for your 1080P(2MP) TV or monitor? You may get troubled with tech support issues, frame rate drop and compatibility issues from the limit of NVR processing power. What I think a good one for home application is analog system. It's cheap and simple. Just Plug and Go. Analog Camera: around U$20 each, and Stand alone DVR (for 4 Ch, each WD1 recording) around U$40, online market. You have to add a monitor and HDD. That's all for beginner and you can get help easily around your neighbor.

I still dont understand. Please help me understand. Enter your thoughts into another, better translator...You cannon analogy has been debunk..because unlike a cannon which can cause damage when used to kill a roach, no one EVER has said, "this video is too clear" too much resolution..this is terrible ..stop being silly. Stop trying to sell users junk. Shame on you!

[SunnyKim 2]

How do you like if I quote " A knife for a bull can be too much for killing a chicken" ?

Please let me know!!. Many comers in this forum are interested in DIY for Home or Small Store Applications. DIY could be fun, challenging, exciting, and saving money. Cheap & Rugged Analog system should be one of their options, I believe. I mean 4MP cameras with High End NVR can be too much. Please do not blame the english translator. Better blame your logic or a hardware above your neck.

[Boogieman 1]

How do you like if I quote " A knife for a bull can be too much for killing a chicken" ?

Please let me know!!. Many comers in this forum are interested in DIY for Home or Small Store Applications. DIY could be fun, challenging, exciting, and saving money. Cheap & Rugged Analog system should be one of their options, I believe. I mean 4MP cameras with High End NVR can be too much. Please do not blame the english translator. Better blame your logic or a hardware above your neck.

There are cheaper 1080p options out there...100 dollars a camera.

720p, for 60....still much better than junk D1. If by "high end" you mean under 200 dollars for an NVR...then you have a serious problem.

Stop suggesting JUNK D1 resolution. I can get a CRT monitor or TV for free, doesnt mean I recommend folks for buy those over a flat screen hd tv. Stop peddling your useless junk to unsuspecting members. All they need to do is go to youtube and look at D1 vs 1080p...

I will say this again despite your insistence otherwise. ANALOG should NEVER be an option for a new home install in 2015, NEVER. Saving 200 dollars is penny wise, pound foolish (look that one up in your translator).

Also keep in mind that the installation cost can be much cheaper for IP since the cameras do not have to be home run. Heck, the user doesnt even need an NVR depending on the amount of storage required it can be done by the camera with an SD card slot.

Any suggestion otherwise by you is simply an attempt to sell your company's junk. Please go focus on making some good IP cameras.

[SunnyKim 2]

How do you like if I quote " A knife for a bull can be too much for killing a chicken" ?

Please let me know!!. Many comers in this forum are interested in DIY for Home or Small Store Applications. DIY could be fun, challenging, exciting, and saving money. Cheap & Rugged Analog system should be one of their options, I believe. I mean 4MP cameras with High End NVR can be too much. Please do not blame the english translator. Better blame your logic or a hardware above your neck.

There are cheaper 1080p options out there...100 dollars a camera.

720p, for 60....still much better than junk D1. If by "high end" you mean under 200 dollars for an NVR...then you have a serious problem.

Stop suggesting JUNK D1 resolution. I can get a CRT monitor or TV for free, doesnt mean I recommend folks for buy those over a flat screen hd tv. Stop peddling your useless junk to unsuspecting members. All they need to do is go to youtube and look at D1 vs 1080p...

I will say this again despite your insistence otherwise. ANALOG should NEVER be an option for a new home install in 2015, NEVER. Saving 200 dollars is penny wise, pound foolish (look that one up in your translator).

Also keep in mind that the installation cost can be much cheaper for IP since the cameras do not have to be home run. Heck, the user doesnt even need an NVR depending on the amount of storage required it can be done by the camera with an SD card slot.

Any suggestion otherwise by you is simply an attempt to sell your company's junk. Please go focus on making some good IP cameras.

Can you please list the features that a good IP camera must have? Any features that Hikvision should add or be missing? If you can, you are to be re-evaluated.

[tomcctv 190]

Hello All,

 

I have just joint this forum to ask your help for creating a simple security system for my house.

Right now I have an Elro C903IP (cheap) connected to a windows computer over WiFi

I like this idea but I would like to replace this single outdoor camera with 2 new outdoor cameras

of a little better quality and start using the motion control for recording. This one I have independently of how you set up

the motion sensor, it's just has a mind of his own, sometimes picks up a fly and sometimes doesn't even pick up a truck.

 

I would like to keep it simple but functional, and considering that this is a topic I know nothing about,

I don't know where to start. I tried to read various posts in the last few days but I really get lost .

 

Is there any chance that somebody can list what I should buy that would not require me getting a new mortgage ?

 

Thanks so much and if you need extra information please let me know.

 

Thanks

Nic

 

Hi. I don't know where you get all the above from ....... All just sounds like badly installed systems

 

Cheap cable .. Cheap switch .... And even installers adding to a existing network

 

If IP is installed from new and deadicater network then you will not have any of above the key is own network which if you think about it .... It's the same as a coax system

 

Compression

Take H264 ...... There are many formats out there ...... Let's call these cheap ....... Slow on convert ....giving high stutter or mist frame .... Ghosting and artefacts which you will find in many complaints in posts about ......mostly found on budget systems or no name

 

Or H265 genuine ... Which are 4 formats ...... And are LICENCED out to the likes of avermedia geovision avigilon and other big names ..... Yes there cameras cost a little more but with good cable good network good power and you are not going to beat that system

[SunnyKim 2]

Compression

Take H264 ...... There are many formats out there ...... Let's call these cheap ....... Slow on convert ....giving high stutter or mist frame .... Ghosting and artefacts which you will find in many complaints in posts about ......mostly found on budget systems or no name

 

Or H265 genuine ... Which are 4 formats ...... And are LICENCED out to the likes of avermedia geovision avigilon and other big names ..... Yes there cameras cost a little more but with good cable good network good power and you are not going to beat that system

 

Sorry to say that I can not agree to your opinion quoted above. Most parts are totally unfounded. You are teaching that to run the business is simply bashing old technology, and praising the new technology.

[Boogieman 1]

Compression

Take H264 ...... There are many formats out there ...... Let's call these cheap ....... Slow on convert ....giving high stutter or mist frame .... Ghosting and artefacts which you will find in many complaints in posts about ......mostly found on budget systems or no name

 

Or H265 genuine ... Which are 4 formats ...... And are LICENCED out to the likes of avermedia geovision avigilon and other big names ..... Yes there cameras cost a little more but with good cable good network good power and you are not going to beat that system

 

Sorry to say that I can not agree to your opinion quoted above. Most parts are totally unfounded. You are teaching that to run the business is simply bashing old technology, and praising the new technology.

No one said anything about running a business. Stop trying to peddle D1 Junk in 2015.

[tomcctv 190]

Compression

Take H264 ...... There are many formats out there ...... Let's call these cheap ....... Slow on convert ....giving high stutter or mist frame .... Ghosting and artefacts which you will find in many complaints in posts about ......mostly found on budget systems or no name

 

Or H265 genuine ... Which are 4 formats ...... And are LICENCED out to the likes of avermedia geovision avigilon and other big names ..... Yes there cameras cost a little more but with good cable good network good power and you are not going to beat that system

 

Sorry to say that I can not agree to your opinion quoted above. Most parts are totally unfounded. You are teaching that to run the business is simply bashing old technology, and praising the new technology.

 

Where did I bash old technology ??. .... You should of understood it as there are many forms of H264 some are good soon are bad

 

Bad being what you have on budget recorders or cheap IPcameras

[zr1 0]

There are some crazy guys, in this forum, who keep promoting HiEnd ones. 4MP without 4MP monitors. What's use?

What's use for your 1080P(2MP) TV or monitor?

 

It goes to the goals of the homeowner or the business person.

For watching movies in high definition or maybe sporting events, sure, we want a 1080P signal on a 1080P display. We watch it live, we eat our food, we enjoy the show. We do this for hours and hours.

 

But for security cameras, the goals are different.

The goal is to find out what's happening.

Very (very) few of my customers sit around watching their cameras live all the time...they're busy (and they're not casinos, nuclear power plants, or NASA).

They typically glance at it for a moment.

Most of them check out the live video feed on their smartphone for a quick-check anyway. Especially the residential customers.

 

For this goal, a 1080P (which is about 2MP) or even a 720P monitor (about 1MP) monitor works great.

The underlying video is 3MP or 4MP. Whenever the person needs to review the video to meet their goal of finding out what's going on, they'll simply zoom in the screen whenever they need to and get the detail in the picture fine.

We've been doing the same thing with our iPhone/smartphone cameras for years.

 

It doesn't seem crazy to me. And for my business and residential customers, they love capability of the higher resolution.

 

For a place that already has coax installed

...the high-def analogs aren't a bad stop-gap...for a few years.

Very very view of my residential customers go this route, they typically switch to higher IP.

 

But for a new install? No way

...it's a huge waste of time and money to run coax all over the place. Plus for the hobbyist/DIYer...I haven't met anybody that enjoys the pulling-wire part of it...hehe.

 

So yeah...for new installs...definitely go CAT5e or 6 network cable!

[737ngx 0]

Wow, what I thought was going to be a simple question it became worst that an American presidential election debate

and I am not even American

 

First of all, let me thank you all for your feedbacks, despite having some difference of opinions out there I did find it very interesting.

 

Here is my intention, but I have an extra question and a kind request.

I am a home owner not a business, and I am not sure I would call this a hobby.

I have been broken in twice now, one while I was sleeping, beside many changes I did to my doors and windows I want to

expand to a decent camera security system. I do like high resolution quality and if it helps to catch the face of those bast...

I am sure that spending a little more will be with it.

 

I would like to get the 4MP from Hikvision and a MVR, it will all be wired with CAT5 ... no wireless.

 

QUESTION: I work a lot from home, and I like to keep always one monitor with the camera pointing on my front door on. can I still do this with an MVR, does it have some type of software that will allow me to do this?

 

KIND REQUEST: I an not in the USA but I am based in EUROPE, The Netherlands, close to me there is a Hikvision showroom which I intend to visit.

Can anybody point me to a suitable Hikvision MVR model for me? I want to start with 2 cameras, but within the next 12 months I would like to go to a total of 4 cameras.

 

Many Thanks to everybody

[zr1 0]

Dedicated camera monitor

Most all NVR's have an HDMI jack (and many a VGA jack) where you can plug in whatever spare monitor you want. Either an old 19" or a big 65". Then you can choose among a host of viewing options such as all 4 cameras at once or just 1 camera full screen. It'll stay on all day long if you want.

 

You can also do it other ways such as within a browser window of a computer since you can connect to the NVR via LAN or WAN.

 

2 channels - 4 channels - more?

Almost everybody I work with ends up adding cameras, and adding more cameras than they originally thought. So a 4-channel NVR will work for your first 2 cameras, then your 3rd and 4th camera that you're thinking of.

But a year or two later...if you're like many people, you'll want another camera. Maybe a full-fledged mounted camera or some little simple "wifi" camera like the wee-little DS-2CD2432F-IW. So compare the 8 channel NVRs while your at it...many times it's not much more money to have the expansion available.

 

While you were sleeping

Broken in at night? Ouch!

Yup, security in layers.

* Light (nobody lurks in the light) - whether always on or motion activated

* View from the street - cut back bushes, etc. so there's little place for somebody to hide while trying to break in

* Noise - alarms, dogs do make noise which are one layer

* Physical barrier - awesome locks, fence, thorny-bushes planted under the windows, etc.

* Monitored alarm - monthly price, there's a delay, and they're not the be-all...so just a simple layer

* Dog (again) - pet ownership is an ordeal...but a big dog does make a good layer

* Your own person T-800 - on second thought, given the gun laws of the Netherlands, a Skynet-created-Terminator with a shotgun may not in the plans to be standing guard on your front porch

"I'll be back"

[SunnyKim 2]

Compression

Take H264 ...... There are many formats out there ...... Let's call these cheap ....... Slow on convert ....giving high stutter or mist frame .... Ghosting and artefacts which you will find in many complaints in posts about ......mostly found on budget systems or no name

 

Or H265 genuine ... Which are 4 formats ...... And are LICENCED out to the likes of avermedia geovision avigilon and other big names ..... Yes there cameras cost a little more but with good cable good network good power and you are not going to beat that system

 

Sorry to say that I can not agree to your opinion quoted above. Most parts are totally unfounded. You are teaching that to run the business is simply bashing old technology, and praising the new technology.

 

Where did I bash old technology ??. .... You should of understood it as there are many forms of H264 some are good soon are bad

 

Bad being what you have on budget recorders or cheap IPcameras

 

Ghosting:Stutter: Missing Frames are in no way related to H.264 Standard. Any proof or theory.

 

H.265 Genuine: Most of not genuine scientists keep working the same agenda in different mask/format/face till they get retired. One Improvement over H.264 is that H.265 can allow a kind of paraell processing when dealing with a very large image, say 4K or larger. Large sized image should be processed within a given time, say 30msec. CPU clock should get higher or the image can be partitioned small enough for multiples of CPUS in a lower clock speed. I mean that the syntax allows such partioning. This is no related to any compression efficiency. H.265 has gone for the arithmetic coding whose efficiency is quite dependent on the video stats. Therefore, I do not buy much of their claims in improved compression effciency.

In surveillance industry, we are not going to use all kinds of variants that it offers in order to avoid Non-compatibility, and to minimize CPU processing and Heat. But the compatibility issues would be repeatedly brought on, in much longer period than cases of H.264, because some companies are trying to monopolize the market by creating Non Compatibility between NVRs and Cameras. They keep putting the customers into their island. To make No inter-operable is the Ultimate Goal for them or every businessman.