Vendoma vs. Geovision and the Who's Who in the Biz

[rory 0]

Oz, that wasn't a very hearty and warm reply that one would expect from you, especially from the friendly environs of Australia. Everyone here should be entitled to post their opinions. It isn't like we have Robert Bass here pumping his lame web site every post trying to lure suckers into buying from him. Disagreements on the merits of the different boards and software are always going to be present since I think we have figured out by now that there isn't one superboard/software combination otherwise we'd all be worshipping it like a sacred cow. Truthfully I don't like the Geovision or the Chance I in its many variations all that much. When it comes to PC boards I like the Digi-It, which is never even discussed here. Let's accept a wide variety of comments on all the areas we deal in so we can all learn a little more from everyone's experience. Now that I'm done with my soap box, I just want to add that "GEOVISION GUI SUCKS BIG TIME"

 

i second that, seems all asian GUIs look the same with cheesy icons and graphics too.

[cctv_down_under 0]

I have to admit that I did over step the bounds, but I have a personal hate for Vendoma, that stretches back a long way, So many US companies lie and pretend to be the manfactorer of products that they are not and so often I meet people who say they have nothing to do with such a company and infact they work either directly with them or for them.

 

The reasons I do not like Vendoma is because I was invited to chat the the CEO but then found him trying to connect to my BOX!!! How pissed was I and then on top of that he resolved my I.P just to find out who I was, not by asking politely, pretty darn rude.

 

Secondly they lied about their products and when I said it was Chance-I they said they wrote the software for them,,, they don't, then they manufactured the cards as well..More lies. I admit I went heavy handed but I still do think that he works for them, he was suttley trying to push their product without being honest about it.

 

I am also very tired of having my dealers here try to buy of US companies because they state they have 300 staff only to find out they dont and then I am left with the support of the product, the problem is I cant ask someone if this is the card they bought from me or from US when they have already bought this product from me before, I just have to fix it at my expense.

 

To anyone who thought I was rude...you were right and I apologise whole hartedly for everything that I have said...excepting that he works for them.

I can be a bit full on but I am sick of the US dealers and their selling morals,(present company excepted) thats why i now will do it, I will do to them what they do to me...They state they will get better support in the US ..swear they can beat my prices, say they are huge and tell them they think we are not Legit!! I have had enough!

 

I admit CCTV does not deserve it but anyone will tell you in this forum that I have helped many many people not just in here either, through my email that is listed...and when someone comes in that I know is praising a company that is full of crap and saying my product line is full of crap..without stating any reasons or examples I bite...big time..

 

Maybe I should stay away from this forum.. I am very productive indeed, I only post in at night when I go home or when I am on leave and I try to help where possible, however I can be a bit opinionated and I do see his point about scaring people off.

 

My apologies

[tkpro 0]

Truth Lies and Lies and truth. Ok so you two had your pissing match, and tell you the truth having a hard core disscussion is good for the board.Expressing ones opinion weather we agree or not. But I have One important question and I think everyone would like to know

 

Is Vendoma product Good or Bad ?? Scale of 1 thru 10 where does it rate

 

Has anyone here used their product

 

All opinions accepted

 

tk

[cctv_down_under 0]

For what it is worth, I have to say that the Chance-I (manufactorer) same as Vendoma is not bad at all really, a lot of people have switched from Geo to Chance-I but mainly because geo has been so slagged off on, without proof, There are many limitations with the Chance-I software last time a I checked but as far as I can see Geo gets a 8 out of 10 for software and a 3 out of 10 for business management and marketing.

 

Vendoma in my opinion/Chance-I is about a 6 out of 10 for sofware, the GUI is really kinda cool and for management and marketing it gets about a 5.

 

We tried the Chance-I card.. the major plus is they release Beta's for testing, sure I get them from Geo but you dont have to buy much to get it from them, I heard they were looking at SDK options and they have a nice GUI, all runs fairly smooth, there were a few interlacing problems, but patching them worked fine, so I assumed by now they would have fixed that.

 

Long story Short.. Chance-I/ Vendoma arent a bad board at all really but the siftwrae is not up to Geo's standard especially the networking and the log program, they fall down on features but at least the card is satble and theya re a few dollars cheaper to import than Geo.

 

My Opinion

[AVCONSULTING 0]

From a features point of view I'd rate the Geovision at an 8. From an ease of use point of view, especially an end user who is not computer literate around a 3. From a GUI point of view also a 3. The Chance I would rate features around 5, ease of use 8, GUI 7. I think you really have to decide whether your end user base is going to want to put up with the more complicated feature set of the Geovision vs the relative ease of use on the Chance I. The Chance I video quality is very good, has good compression and the new Chance I cards are going to be hardware compression instead of software compression which should even be better. I personally would rather put a Chance I GUI into a customer's hands since it will mean fewer call backs for training and questions. Chance I has nice features such as search by motion, video timeline on playback, time and event recording, etc. The remote GUI looks identical to the local which is also good since once a customer understands how to use the DVR you dont' have to train him again on the remote. I think it boils down to whether your customers are going to want a DVR chock full of features but higher learning curve or something simpler and easier to use. Picture quality on both is pretty good.

[LittleScoobyMaster 0]

Just curious as to when the new Chance-I cards are going to be released? Do you have a hyperlink?

 

Will the new cards use the same exact software as the old ones or are they going to release new software with the new cards?

 

Also, when is Geovision going to be releasing something new? Or did the GV900/1000 just get released sometime in the past year or so?

[AVCONSULTING 0]

I got an email from Technovision, another Chance I reseller that the new cards are coming out soon. Here is a link to Technovision. I'm not sure if or how the software will change. You might want to go on their site and check with them on the changes and also get some pricing.

 

www.technovisioncctv.com

[cctvexpert 0]

1. Interesting by the way that you spoke with the CEO and "he" whatever. The CEO is a woman so that is strike one and she has no idea who you are.

 

2. As far as you talking to the CTO who didnt know what you claim 878 was or whatever, well I spoke with him today for the first time and that was only after making an appointment to speak with him with his assistant and he politely said he has no clue who the heck you are and does not have time to chat on the company chats and support lines.

 

3. As far as who and what Vendoma is he giggled and for the most part was not interested even in justifying your remarks with a response other then to say, look at who our customers are which is over 50% government and that speaks for itself. He was actually very polite about everything and again did not want to get into discussions about BS and was interested in discussing the product if I had any concerns, which I have none so far.

 

FYI, how you can even compare GVision to anybody has to be a joke. You obviously are a cheerleader for them, when everyone I know who has ever used them has nothing but horror stories with everything from:

 

. having to reboot the system on a regular basis

. recorded images being poor

. cameras losing signal

. object tracking doesnt function right

. no version control

. zero customer support

. the list goes on and on

 

And you can compare this to a company that as a whole so far I have never heard a bad word about their product. Whether you say it is Chance-i or not well I will leave that alone, since you seem to know what is possible with a GUI and my degrees and experience in writing code for 25+ years seem to tell me otherwise. Considering I have seen the SDK for Chance-i which again would not give you the proper controls. So I won't even debate with you since its a moot issue.

 

I will not argue with you anymore because it is pointless. We are here to try to advance and make progress and share. Attempting to bash a company that I see has done nothing negative and you seem to trash only tells me you have ulterior motives.

 

As one person here intelligently asked who cares how does the product work. You have had no experience with their product yet chose to comment. When you try it then you can make intelligent statements.

 

I know enough to know when I don't know and just listen. People who think they know everything are the ones who never learn because they think they know all.

 

Like I said before how you compare "rocket scientists" with Taiwanese trading companies is beyond the imagination.

 

Getting back to answering other question about latest Chance-i version it is going to be a long ways off as far as debugging. MPEG4 is not stable. In general none of the MPEG4v2 is stable. There are several mosaic issues. Part 10 of 264 addresses this issue but is way off in the future. The only stable application for this is the new conditional wavelet.

 

MPEG4v2 in addition to having mosaic issues even on the hardware side you have to remember that to get true full frame rate there are issues. For full D1 you can only get 2 channels. You can go to 4 channels on half D1 but same problems when blowing up to full screen.

 

You have to remember that MPEG2 has been around for a decade now and only the last couple of years have seen stability. MPEG4 has a way to go and because the technology is "projecting" it will always be a problem with fast moving objects that will be blurred.

 

We have tested several of the h.264 part 2 and part 10 against MPEG2 and compared the encoding efficiencies. We did statistical multiplexing to dynamically distribute the bandwidth and inspect picture quality.

 

What we found was as follows: The MPEG4v2 was not in the same league as the MPEG4v10 but the v10 required intense processing power. Mosaic was and is an issue on the MPEG4v2. We used images of sporting events. The pictures on the v2 were blurred.

 

In short and not to go into an entire white paper the MPEG4v2 has a long way to go before becoming commercially viable if ever. The next stop may be leapfroggin to other platforms. My belief is the MPEG2 is going to be around for a while. the MPEG4 will be out there because the market wants it but the stability issues will be of concern. For the casual user it is acceptable but for mission critical security its a major problem. A thief running from the scene of a robbery cannot be visually detected.

[cctvexpert 0]

FYI, you should also get your facts straight and if Aventura Technologies is kind enough to give you a tour then speak your piece.

 

Interesting how they would even discuss anything with you without signing an NDA also, since this was the first thing they asked when speaking with me.

 

If you know anything about government business many of the agencies they sell to would not deal with you unless you have 100% control of the product and can put the source code in escrow in case you go out of business. Government agencies cannot take any chances and in many cases will not deal with products under foreign control.

 

In addition, they would not even entertain doing business with you in the first place if they had concerns about the "owner" of the product and the longevity and ability of the company to support it.

 

I don't want to defend any company I just want to make sure that you don't go around talking about anyone's products without being educated. So this is not about Vendoma specifically. Every one is entitled to speak their mind and certainly you can speak yours and you have. It is for reasons like this as I have previously stated that forums like this never flourish. Because some choose to take over and chase others away through various means some of which are specifically intentiional.

 

I don't want to embarass anyone any more so if any one would like to constructively discuss anything you can email me and i will do the same in kind.

 

There are a couple of companies in China that are making strides on the h.264 if anyone is interested. The products are good but the software is incredibly weak. HIKVision and ILDVR. They both have a way to go but are in the right direction. They are working on MPEG4v2. Boards are also ridiculously expensive.

 

Look for the conditional wavelet. We have experimented with them and so far so good but its just too early to make positive remarks and will probably not be there for several months.

[AVCONSULTING 0]

I would have to believe that the Vendoma DVR, or at least the Version 4.0 software is Chance I. I just downloaded the manual for the DVR and compared it to the manual I have on Chance I, and on Flashback which is also Chance I, and on Technovision and all of them have the exact same setup GUI's. Where you set the camera fps, main setup, motion setup, etc. they all are identical. All of the above companies have altered the main viewing GUI and playback GUI but none of them bothered to change the setup GUI's. So Aventura seems to be using the Chance I boards and software and customizing the main GUI's. All the functions are also the same. I didn't see any features on the Aventura that weren't on the other models. I guess you'd have to download the various manuals yourself to confirm what I'm seeing.

[cctv_down_under 0]

For #1......... I have no reason to lie, maybe it was the janitor or one of the other 299 staff that they have.. everyone knows here that I am not a liar so I do not appreciate you calling me one and I would not do it again.

 

That is what was typed to me on the other end of the chat..oh how I wish I had taken screen shots for real I would have love to have posted them here to show you.

 

As for your lists of Geo faults

 

 

. having to reboot the system on a regular basis

 

I have not come accross this fault except for 1 problem in 1 version where they could not find keypro.. yes it was a problem but was fixed very quickly.

 

. recorded images being poor

 

Thats Crap, there is very little difference between the two systems in this regard and in my opnion it is better looking on the Geo

 

. cameras losing signal

 

Maybe you should check your cables Mr CCTV expert as I have not seen this issue yet in all the systems that we have sold.

 

. object tracking doesnt function right

 

To be honest never used this feature as it is already built into most of the PTZ devices that we sell so we do not use it... I have seen a demo of it working and seemed to be ok, but it is a new feature so maybe you are correct, however I do doubt it. Does Chance-I have this feature?

 

. no version control

 

Not sure what you mean, if you mean that you need to use the same remote software for each version, then yes you are correct but if that is the best you can come up with then I think you are really clutching at straws.. I will now download the latest Chance-I software and pick it to crap as well.

. zero customer support

 

Customer support is by the bucket load, you arent supposed to get it from Geo anyway dealers should know their stuff

 

. the list goes on and on

 

Bring the list on.. pretty short list mate.. wait to you see the one on Chance-I

 

As for me being a cheerleader for them.. I hate them with a passion, I hate the way they market the product and that is well documented in these forums, however they are the best DVR card for price on the market and they **** all over Chance-I/Vendoma.. I wish they didn't but they do.. more users in this forum use them compared to any other product..why do you think that is huh?

 

my degrees and experience in writing code for 25+ years seem to tell me otherwise.

 

I never said that the program had not been changed ...only said that they didnt do it...would you like me to email our supplier of Chance-I to verify this??

 

My guess is that they have a Beta that no one else has?

 

Like I said before how you compare "rocket scientists" with Taiwanese trading companies is beyond the imagination.

 

Once again way off the mark.... Geovision writes its own software which is more than I can say for Vendoma It does not matter how they list and you too bashed a company.. namely Geovision.

 

The problem of blurry pictures that you speak of is issues with Video Interlacing and on some DVR units this has not been done by a software interlace, therefore larger fast moving images have a tearing affect Geovision actually adjusts theres through software interlacing and by applying rendering to the image.. Not all DVR's are created with this feature.. However I agree Mpeg4 has a long way to go yet and Geovision has released its own version which works even better but such is the nature of Mpeg4 capture on all products at this satge that the Tearing still occurs but can be viewed and sampled after video de interlacing and rendering.

 

I agree that hardware on board chips will fix this problem especially now that the new PCI bus is about to be released later this month but yes they are not stable at fast speeds.

 

If you know anything about government business many of the agencies they sell to would not deal with you unless you have 100% control of the product and can put the source code in escrow in case you go out of business. Government agencies cannot take any chances and in many cases will not deal with products under foreign control.

 

I do not agree with this statement, however it is true to say that Government agencies actually do prefer to deal with manufactorers of products for better support but to say that they will only deal with manufactorers is not accurate or have I not being doing business already with many Government agencies.. Why would Geovision be in your CIA headquarters (according to Geo) and several Government airports if this was the case. Besides Vendoma does not write the software, Chance-I do so go figure.

 

It is for reasons like this as I have previously stated that forums like this never flourish.

 

Once again I dissagree, as posted below arguments are good for forums, however I went a bit too far.. It seems someone who posted earlier has the same opinion that it is good for a forum, as for this forum not flourishing, I have seen a load of new registrations every day and there were only about 8 of us at the start so once again I believe you are wrong.. I am not a know it all I just know a lot about DVR and having tested both systems I think I can safely make an educted statement about both products.

 

Because some choose to take over and chase others away through various means some of which are specifically intentiional.

 

Point taken and a valid one... however nothing was intentionally done to make you leave.. your still here aren't you... Yes I went too far and if you look through the posts on here, you will see that I have helped many people and encouraged many to join the forum, I do not rule this forum, each post is intended to educate.. but Vendoma calimed to me to make the cards and write the software and I feel it important to point out the obvious truth.

 

 

I have no ill feeling toward you and I apologise for the way I replied to your postt, i do however think that you are wrong about Vendoma and I stand by what I said therefore I have spoken my mind...allbeit a bit too harshly once again for that I am sorry.

 

Geovision is heads above most DVR products, their marketing sucks and they release goods far too soon before testing (well they used to) the do more releases than any other company and I believe they are the biggest selling card world wide.. I do not like them very much but intil I find a better product we are stuck with them..Oh Yes by the way their GUI sucks..

[qman 0]

Whoa, let's get one thing straight.

 

DVR_Australia is one of the most respected and knowledgeable members of this forum.

 

 

If someone here makes a mistake, or you have personal opinions about a certain person, PM directly to that person, or keep it to yourself.

 

The purpose of this forum is forum is for all of us to learn and research the ever changing cctv industry, we all help each other out, both dealers and end users alike.,

 

So please, I know that no one here is trying to start a problem, but it seems to me that is going that way, and I don't think that larry is going to appreciate his hard work and money that he has put out for this site to end up this way.

[cctv_down_under 0]

Thanks Hermin.. true poiont....Handhake.. kiss and make up and on with it.. your right.. sorry Larry

[loop 0]

I have a log from 2 months ago. it's even quite amusing Judge for yourself...

* note what happened when I asked if they sell chance-i cards...

 

Powered by CCS

 

System: Please Wait while connecting to an operator

 

You''re connected to operator - Aventura

 

User: thanks

 

Aventura: sorry i lost you there

 

User: thought you fell a sleep

 

User: can I get prices?

 

Aventura: may i have your contact info

 

Aventura: just send a blank check

 

Aventura: i will fill it in

 

User: blank check?

 

Aventura: ok just put a whole bunch of zero's

 

Aventura: only kiddin!

 

Aventura:

 

User: lol

 

Aventura: what items would you like a price on

 

User: I was told that americans have no sense of humor

 

User: so didn't expect this....

 

Aventura: no sense of humor

 

Aventura: when it comes to money maybe!

 

Aventura:

 

User: Cameras, 120fps capture cards

 

User:

 

User: you sell Chance-i cards eight?

 

User: eight=right

 

Aventura: hold please

 

User: on hold

 

Aventura: one more second

 

User: no prob

 

Aventura: ok

 

Aventura: i am back

 

Aventura: we do not sell chance-i cards

 

User: just systems with the cards?

 

Aventura: we sell cards

 

Aventura: but not chance-i

 

User: which cards?

 

Aventura: we have them made for us with our software

 

Aventura: we are software engineers

 

Aventura: and write software for many of the board makers

 

Aventura: we make some boards ourselves but small quantities of very high end boards

 

Aventura: MPEG4 boards

 

User: but your demo uses chance-i's software

 

Aventura: with real time display and record

 

Aventura: it is a GUI

 

Aventura: we have dozens of GUI's

 

Aventura: that is what we do is the software

 

User: hmm

 

Aventura: it is just a user interface

 

Aventura: if u look around you will see on the internet

 

Aventura: dozens of site with similar gui with different name

 

Aventura: because we design gui

 

Aventura: we can private label it for u

 

Aventura: or give u a new one

 

Aventura: or do custom application

 

Aventura: with custom features

 

Aventura: that is how u know we are the manufacturer

 

User: i see

 

Aventura: no one else can do custom work

 

Aventura: we can also provide sdk tools

 

User: what mid-range cards do you sell?

 

Aventura: what does your company do

 

Aventura: we have cards made for us

 

Aventura: not from the traditional sources

 

User: we provide computer based solutions

 

Aventura: because of the way we design

 

Aventura: we are familiar with Comart, Chance-i, Kodicom, Sungjin, Idis

 

Aventura: and all the rest

 

Aventura: we are solution providers

 

Aventura: people come to us to make their things work

 

Aventura: we are a 300+ man IT consulting firm

 

Aventura: we come from voice over IP and video over the net

 

User: you too?

 

Aventura: no

 

Aventura: i am female

 

Aventura: Christina

 

Aventura: i mean 300 + person firm

 

User: no females in voice over ip?

 

Aventura: we have sister company

 

Aventura: aventura networks

 

Aventura: we were pioneers in SIP and MGCP protocol

 

Aventura: developed call agents and soft phones

 

Aventura: which are used my many of the telco providers

 

Aventura: main market for that is in India

 

User: interesting

 

Aventura: who do you buy boards from

 

Aventura: I am only in customer care not sales

 

User: I provide a solution to a client that needs to implement a few DVR systems

 

Aventura: so you are new to the business??

 

User: had no previous knowledge

 

User: yep

 

User: learned a lot from your site

 

User: very good information

 

User: clearly explained

 

Aventura: because knowing somebody as obscure as Chance-i is interesting

 

Aventura: they are a Korean board maker

 

User: I did a small research

 

Aventura: not really main stream

 

Aventura: its not the boards anyway that is important

 

User: to try and find a good board manufacturer

 

Aventura: they all use the same components

 

Aventura: at least the good ones

 

Aventura: the trick is the DB in the software

 

Aventura: the boards are worthless without good software architecture

 

Aventura: that is the difference

 

Aventura: most of them dont work

 

Aventura: more than 90%

 

Aventura: once you get past basic functions they crash

 

Aventura: then you get into issues of DHCP

 

Aventura: NAT

 

User: using open source db's?

 

Aventura: PPPoE

 

Aventura: DNS

 

Aventura: oracle

 

User: are you familiar with VGuard boards?

 

Aventura: then on mid level boards use a home grown DB

 

Aventura: never heard of them

 

Aventura: there are only 10 board manufacturers

 

Aventura: most say they make but dont

 

Aventura: they are

 

User: http://www.vguard.net

 

Aventura: Sungjin, Idis, Comart, Kodicom, Chance-i, Thakral, Sunell

 

Aventura: and i forget the others

 

User: Aver Media

 

Aventura: nope

 

User: oem?

 

Aventura: they buy from korea

 

Aventura: yes

 

Aventura: they buy from same source as Geovision

 

Aventura: Pelco, Vicon and General Solutions all buy from Sungjin

 

User: Is geovision good?

 

Aventura: garbage

 

Aventura: the worst

 

Aventura: great marketing

 

User: really?

 

Aventura: but lousy product

 

Aventura: yes

 

Aventura: they have big market share

 

Aventura: they spent a lot of money on marketing

 

User: they are best sellers here in Israel

 

Aventura: but their customers come to us everyday

 

Aventura: after they ahve problems

 

Aventura: they are the biggest but the worst

 

User: good to hear

 

User: because I didn't like their distributor here

 

Aventura: total garbage

 

User: that's why I turned to find something myself

 

Aventura: there product is cheap

 

Aventura: price also is very cheap

 

User: 500$ for a card is cheap?

 

User: oh

 

Aventura: which card

 

User: forgot you're in the US

 

User: 100fps 4 channel

 

User: that's a dealers price in IL

 

Aventura: let me see

 

User: GV-800

 

Aventura: gv800 is an 8 channel i thought

 

Aventura: also the frame rate they say is false

 

Aventura: that is part of the problem

 

User: this seems to be the case with most cards

 

Aventura: ours you can count frame by frame

 

Aventura: and it is 100%

 

Aventura: no matter what you are doing

 

Aventura: there are no shared resources

 

Aventura: 4-channel 120fps is $590

 

User: yours?

 

Aventura: 8 channel 120 is $700

 

Aventura: yes

 

Aventura: with software

[qman 0]

Holy ****, did she say that Geo has great marketing?

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[cctv_down_under 0]

Thanks for the laugh Loop.. interesting about Aver though.. seems weird they would buy from korea when they manufacture everything else.. TV Tuner cards and Video cards,

 

Thats about what they told me too..cept they said they make all the boards even for Chance-I.. think thats what the said anyhow, formatted my machine since then.. I think they are waking up now as a few others have asked about Chance-I and they have stopped chatting straight away... I really do not believe that they write for Chance-I, I just think they have a SDK and are really good at marketing, strange thing is that Geo never slagged off any other products when we mentioned the other products to them... have to respect that.

 

Their product will do true frames, that is true.. so will Geo but only at 320x240, there is no product that can do full frame recordings past the high end speeds on windows, well not unless Vendoma actually is a motherboard manufactorer aswell and designed a new PCI bus as this is the limitation and is why hardware onboard compression is wanted so badly..

 

Tomorrow I will get the latest software from Chance-I and try and ask Vendoma.. chance has it (pardon the pun) that I still have that Chance-I card and when contacting them about the latest software I will ask them if Vendoma writes for them or visa versa, I will also compare the two cards feature by feature... I am betting I wont get time but I will try to get it done soon, not to be rude to CCTV just to make buyers aware, I really do not think they manufacture boards, they just import them and probably pay for the software, maybe source and all but I bet that its a SDK or advanced Beta.

 

Obviously if this lady speaks the truth then they are part of a voice over I.P mob that joined a CCTV wholesale mob and then I would understand that they speak the truth about being software developers, but anyone that develops DVR software should be aware of the PCI bus limitation and the way that 32 Bit limits the ablity to count full frames at stated speeds at larger resolutions, so I am surprised they are not aware of it.

[Zyra Tech 0]

Vendoma is a great company from what I can tell. You will have a hard time finding a company with thier level of support, anywhere. Their system is very solid although I still have some video quality issues I would like to see addressed.

[larry 2]

Thanks Hermin.. true poiont....Handhake.. kiss and make up and on with it.. your right.. sorry Larry

 

No need for anyone to apologize. As mentioned before, differences of opinion are normal. I think members want to read others views of a company or product. I just ask that its done without personal attacks. Just state your opinion as you see it then agree to disagree.

 

I personally like Geovision but, I have to admit, I have not seen a competitors system. I had budget to purchase one system quickly so I did not get a chance to compare. Heck, I don't want to see another system because I might kick myself for going with Geo. For what I am doing though and compared to analog, I like the Geo just fine.

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Well, talking about analog, there is one thing that this new "digital" standars cannot compare to, at least for now, and that is that analog systems never crashed!

[cctv_down_under 0]

Ok here is the early news on the Vendoma/Chance-I options.

 

They state that they record true frame rates and to some extent they speak the truth, as many of you are already aware, hardware compression allows this to some extent, but these boards are not cheap, they drop frames like every other DVR if hardware compression boards are not used and when used this is the statement from the manufactorer:

 

10/ At larger resolution... what is the perceived drop in frame rate?

 

7.5 frame/sec (NTSC 4CIF), 5 frame/sec (PAL 4CIF)

 

And I assume that is per chip so you would muliply that by four for a 16 camera system, They can not state they do true frames as there are limits at present.. nice that Chance-I did not say it could.

 

They do not use their own compression on the new boards and all the text here will be on the new boards, they purchase Mpeg4 standard hardware compression chips.

 

The hardware architecture that they use is rather old, you can still run it on 98/SE... hay that will make Rory happy.

 

They do not have control room software however they can make one DVR pop up cameras on another remote PC on movement.

 

They do not have Gain control on the cards!

 

There are only 3 levels of user password and they are defined.

 

They can not de activate a camera from the main screens video sequencing therefore they can not hide it if it is there.

 

16Ch at 400 Fps requires 2 cards, this would be expensive with hardware compression.

 

A major downfall is that remotely you can not look at previous recordings that is pretty lame mind you I would imagine this is only on web client I mean who would not have this feature?

 

They have no PDA support

 

They also do not have object search

 

You can not adjust the bandwidth for outgoing packets for remote view.. that is a major let down and leads to network congestion.

 

They can not play back their Video files in windows media player, in fact you need their viewer to view them and it may not work on all platforms...Major design floor!

 

They do not have licence plate recognition.

 

Please keep in mind this is not the boards everyone is talking about with cheap prices, I have one of those and will post my results as soon as possible but this is information on the high end compression boards.

 

I hope this helped,

 

GC

[NEVERENDING 0]

I went looking for some info and looks like I interrupted a catfight.

 

For whatever its worth not sure where you got your info on Chance-i boards because won't go into your note point by point but you have many facts wrong. Have bought Chance-i boards for some time and they were ok and have PDA support as well as other features you claim they don't have. Support though is an issue.

 

Regarding Vendoma, as all those here mentioned they have incredible support and service. Incredibly efficient organization from the "janitor" on down. I have bought cards from them recently and to be candid I didnt care who made them all I was concerned about was:

 

1. Does it work

2. Is it stable

3. If I have a problem can I speak with someone intelligent

4. Is it a stable supplier and is it backwards compatible in future

5. Is the price reasonable

 

They get a grade of 10+ on all accounts except the price because they are not cheap, but they say service costs money. What I have found out recently though is if you buy their MPEG2 boards in volume of 25 or more their prices are much cheaper than Geo on many models ever since Vendoma released their MPEG4 boards.

 

What I wanted to know is if anyone here has tried Vendoma's embedded DVR's? I Have no experience with them and they say they do not make them but import them and merely Q.C. them. I guess its their answer to affordable stuff for the home.

 

Or if anyone knows of inexpensive 16-channel standalones. I tried Nuvico which was good quality but price was still a little steep. I can build a PC-based cheaper so it doesn't make sense.

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From a features point of view I'd rate the Geovision at an 8. From an ease of use point of view, especially an end user who is not computer literate around a 3. From a GUI point of view also a 3. The Chance I would rate features around 5, ease of use 8, GUI 7. I think you really have to decide whether your end user base is going to want to put up with the more complicated feature set of the Geovision vs the relative ease of use on the Chance I. The Chance I video quality is very good, has good compression and the new Chance I cards are going to be hardware compression instead of software compression which should even be better. I personally would rather put a Chance I GUI into a customer's hands since it will mean fewer call backs for training and questions. Chance I has nice features such as search by motion, video timeline on playback, time and event recording, etc. The remote GUI looks identical to the local which is also good since once a customer understands how to use the DVR you dont' have to train him again on the remote. I think it boils down to whether your customers are going to want a DVR chock full of features but higher learning curve or something simpler and easier to use. Picture quality on both is pretty good.

 

Well said. Don't worry DVR expert, it's all good. I get pretty passionate about what I do for a living. I think the important thing to remember is that at some level ALL vendors do some level of "marketing" of thier product that can get into a gray area. I try to focus on support and the product. It helps me to keep out of all the crap. Go into business with eyes wide open in all areas. That's about the best you can do.

Carry on! By the way, I appreciate your input DVR expert.

[Zyra Tech 0]

I went looking for some info and looks like I interrupted a catfight.

 

For whatever its worth not sure where you got your info on Chance-i boards because won't go into your note point by point but you have many facts wrong. Have bought Chance-i boards for some time and they were ok and have PDA support as well as other features you claim they don't have. Support though is an issue.

 

Regarding Vendoma, as all those here mentioned they have incredible support and service. Incredibly efficient organization from the "janitor" on down. I have bought cards from them recently and to be candid I didnt care who made them all I was concerned about was:

 

1. Does it work

2. Is it stable

3. If I have a problem can I speak with someone intelligent

4. Is it a stable supplier and is it backwards compatible in future

5. Is the price reasonable

 

They get a grade of 10+ on all accounts except the price because they are not cheap, but they say service costs money. What I have found out recently though is if you buy their MPEG2 boards in volume of 25 or more their prices are much cheaper than Geo on many models ever since Vendoma released their MPEG4 boards.

 

What I wanted to know is if anyone here has tried Vendoma's embedded DVR's? I Have no experience with them and they say they do not make them but import them and merely Q.C. them. I guess its their answer to affordable stuff for the home.

 

Or if anyone knows of inexpensive 16-channel standalones. I tried Nuvico which was good quality but price was still a little steep. I can build a PC-based cheaper so it doesn't make sense.

 

Again, well said. I haven't used the vendoma embedded DVR's. I have bought some of thier cards and built my own system with good luck. There were some other facts stated about Vendoma product that was also wrong as far as features. It's easier to go to thier website and check out the individual product. I have used different manufacturers of DVR products. I'm open to trying new stuff if time and money allow. As of now, my company is exclusively installing vendoma product. It's a quality product and the support is unbelievable. As far as how they market and position themselves, its of little concern to me. They could tell me Mickey Mouse made the card and it wouldn't bother me.

I have used Geovision in the past and have to say it does a decent job. It fills a market in a very good way. They market (or don't ) their product to a defined market and vendoma does the same, it's just a different market with some overlap.

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Just to add to the Aventura/Chance I confusion, I got off the phone a few minutes ago with the Chance I USA office (they are trying to get us to switch from Magic Radar to Chance I) and he said that first the new hardware compression boards will be available around end of June, and second that Aventura buys their DVR cards from Chance I Korea and then modifies the software with Chance I's approval and that Aventura does not have access to the source code. He also said that Technovision is another OEM purchaser of Chance I cards. He also confirmed that Chance I makes their own cards in Korea. The person I spoke to was Han Kim from the California HQ of Chance I USA. He even invited me to go to Korea and watch them make the boards. I think he is accurate in this, especially since he said he'd be happy if I bought the boards from Technovision or Aventura, as long as I got Chance I cards from someone instead of Magic Radar or some other brand.

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This has got to be the most popular thread on the board

 

And a good one, everyone learns