Zyra Tech 0 Posted June 6, 2004 rory, do you have a kalatel system I can look at remotely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 6, 2004 yes, check your PM. As soon as I get my 2 demo sites (new office, and home - will be mine so no security issues). It will be accesseblae from my home page for everyone to demo them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cctv_down_under 0 Posted June 7, 2004 The problem you have is video interlacing and rendering,, I a dont think Chance-I Vendoma do that...at small rsolutions 320x240 this should not happen so try that, check to see if the Vendoma Product has a changable video source.. Geo has a 640x480 video source and a 640x480SW (software Interlace) video source, plus they do hardware overlay and rendering, this fixes your tearing problem.. I disagree (again) with NEVERENDING.. Local Video ---- Dallmier 740x576 at full detail MPEG2.. Nothing comes close Stabilty ----Geo or Kalatel or Dallmier Networking ----- Not a single thing comes even close to Geo...NOTHING! Price ------- Comart Looks ----- Dedicated Micros Features ------ Geo GUI --- Chance-I/ Vendoma Ease of Use ----- IDIS Speed --- Geo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 Local Video ---- Dallmier 740x576 at full detail MPEG2.. Nothing comes close -kalatel is the same. Networking ----- Not a single thing comes even close to Geo...NOTHING! -what do you want it to do? i just want to connect. Looks ----- Dedicated Micros -slow though Features ------ Geo -once again, what do you want it to do? GUI --- Chance-I/ Vendoma -we're talking remote software here right? Ease of Use ----- IDIS -kalatel by far, easiest ive seen, that anyone can use them, no pc required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyra Tech 0 Posted June 7, 2004 The problem you have is video interlacing and rendering zyra: That may be the problem. I use LCD flat panels on all my installs. I don't know if Vendoma has the options to do proper rendering. Local Video ---- Dallmier 740x576 at full detail MPEG2.. Nothing comes close zyra: Where can I get more info on Dallmier offerings? I see they have been used in some Las Vegas casino apps. Stabilty ----Geo or Kalatel or Dallmier Networking ----- Not a single thing comes even close to Geo...NOTHING! zyra: What do you mean by that? Are you talking internet as well? Price ------- Comart Looks ----- Dedicated Micros zyra: you mean the actual unit itself? Features ------ Geo zyra: When you say features, what are you talking about? What features do you think are usefull. I know a lot of companies product has "features" but I probably wouldn't use some of them ever. GUI --- Chance-I/ Vendoma zyra: I agree Ease of Use ----- IDIS Speed --- Geo What do you mean? As in how smooth the software runs without "skipping"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEVERENDING 0 Posted June 7, 2004 It actually could be a couple of things but what you are describing is not something I have ever seen and asked a couple of others that use the product and they said same thing, they have never seen that. There is a good chance it is a problem with the hardware. Give tech support a call that is what they are great at. When I had some problems in the past that i couldn't solve I sent the whole machine back to them and they got it up and running (and best of all no charge). I felt like an idiot because it was something simple and I just didn't read the manual properly and missed something. But then no one else in my department picked it up either so I felt a little better. I just looked at what we have had success with and it has been the ASUS P4G800 boards. Also the Intel PERL boards. That is with the Vendoma products though specifically. They are also very tricky when it comes to audio and there are only some boards that work well with the audio but it does work on all 16-channels fully sync'd which I haven't seen elsewhere - but it did take some work to get there. Give their MPEG4 a shot. Best thing I have seen so far. I am still looking for a good 16-channel embedded that is feature rich. Which leads me to another discussion which I would like to open up a string for. What can a PC do that an embedded device can't do within the next 12 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 right now, the only thing i can see is multiple audio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomas 0 Posted June 7, 2004 I'm not that familuar with the embeded options, but can you set them up in a p2p style network so that the client software can see all of them at one time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyra Tech 0 Posted June 7, 2004 It actually could be a couple of things but what you are describing is not something I have ever seen and asked a couple of others that use the product and they said same thing, they have never seen that. There is a good chance it is a problem with the hardware. Give tech support a call that is what they are great at. When I had some problems in the past that i couldn't solve I sent the whole machine back to them and they got it up and running (and best of all no charge). I felt like an idiot because it was something simple and I just didn't read the manual properly and missed something. But then no one else in my department picked it up either so I felt a little better. I just looked at what we have had success with and it has been the ASUS P4G800 boards. Also the Intel PERL boards. That is with the Vendoma products though specifically. They are also very tricky when it comes to audio and there are only some boards that work well with the audio but it does work on all 16-channels fully sync'd which I haven't seen elsewhere - but it did take some work to get there. Give their MPEG4 a shot. Best thing I have seen so far. I am still looking for a good 16-channel embedded that is feature rich. Which leads me to another discussion which I would like to open up a string for. What can a PC do that an embedded device can't do within the next 12 months. As of last week the Mpeg4 cards were not for sale. They said they weren't ready or something like that. I couldn't even get pricing. I respect that though. The one I'm really having problems with is using a KVM switch. I wonder if that could be the problem. I started a thread about it. I really hope to get to the bottom of this as Vendoma has been a wonderful company to deal with and thier product works great for the configurations we specify. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 I'm not that familuar with the embeded options, but can you set them up in a p2p style network so that the client software can see all of them at one time? The software lets you view 64 cameras from multiple sites in one window (64 way). Is that what you mean? GE Kalatel WaveReader Software: Multi-Site mode supports simultaneous connections to up to 16 Triplex units. This gives the user access to up to 256 different cameras. These cameras can be arranged and displayed in any combination on custom definable screens up to a maximum 64 cameras at a time. The user can define up to 25 different Custom Screens that can consist of any mixture of 4, 16, 36 and 64 way screens. Every Custom Screen can be given a unique name that describes the units whose cameras that are grouped within it. These screens are ideally suited to group cameras from Triplex units that are located in the same geographic area. For example, if a school has say two Triplex units in their security layout, all 32 cameras can be displayed simultaneously in one 36 way Custom Screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 I'm not that familuar with the embeded options, but can you set them up in a p2p style network so that the client software can see all of them at one time? Basically the client software can do anything you program it to do, once the device has the hardware features, eg. multiple audio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomas 0 Posted June 7, 2004 Ah, PC's can edge out the embeded there. We can support up to as many servers as you'd like with the limit being the point where you DOS you're sql server or run out of bandwith on the network. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEVERENDING 0 Posted June 7, 2004 I hope your sitting down for the pricing. There MPEG4 prices: 4-channel $500 8-channel $900 16channel $1800 (and that is distributor pricing) Now you can pick yourself up off the floor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 Like I said, thats WaveReader, but you can write your own software to support as many as you like. Its all client software, same thing. Just depends what you program into it. You can get any info you want from the DVR, and use that any way you wish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 7, 2004 the only thing I cant do, yet, is adjust the camera display, so i can have something like 8 way, 7 way, etc, instead of just 1, 4, 16, but im working on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyra Tech 0 Posted June 7, 2004 I hope your sitting down for the pricing. There MPEG4 prices: 4-channel $500 8-channel $900 16channel $1800 (and that is distributor pricing) Now you can pick yourself up off the floor. Is there a demo of that product that doesn't have the compression cranked up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEVERENDING 0 Posted June 8, 2004 Talk to your sales people and I am sure they can log you into one of the test sites. They usually set up temporary passwords offline so you can play with it and then they reset it back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cctv_down_under 0 Posted June 8, 2004 The Kalatel does do full frame images as well, but this section is PC CARDS, otherwise I would have mentioned it.. The dallmier does MPEG2 not much else does that, Geo's feature list is huge, not many DVR's can have. RPB...Remote Playback Server, downloads full sized files from ultiple nodes or multiple DVR control sites. Geo has Control room software, with full voice over I.P and has the baility to have up to 360 sites buffering video directly to a base station, they also archive differntly and have strong backupfeatures with interlaced audio. Video rendering is another strong feature as well as de intelacion, They have the following ways to connect remotely: Webcam with system database, remote view, log ins, camera up times, full remote control, log files, verification even graphs and a choice of codecs as well as the abilty to change ports or even limit bandwidth. I.P Muilticast for multicasting on multiple networks with a built in network throttle. Straight I.P client PDA connection POS Many many more options..licence plate recognition. Object search, thumbnail view, network sharable computer load, their own compression and multilevel password as well as three compressions, the common mistake is that most people who conect only veer see the web cam so the problem is they think that that is the limit. As for speed I mean yes the flowing GUI (even if it is ugly) good coding and ability to capture 400Fps. The Dedicated screens look nice and the unit is robust and well made, all accesories are top notch and easy to use and look great, remote apps look fresh but are limited in appearance buit it still is an embedded PC. As far as compression algarisms for transmiting video.. you show me a better remote view site and I will eat my words, Geo is the Fastest the clearest and the best, for ease of network configurationa nd full networking suites Geo wins hands down. For remote apps there is no comparison but fro ease of use you can not go past the Kalatel (once you learn it). I hope this helped Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 8, 2004 is there anywher i can download the GEO windows App from to demo? Id like to take a look, more for the central station monitoring side of it. thanks Rory Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cctv_down_under 0 Posted June 8, 2004 You can download it from Geo, but you need to have a site to connect to, and not many even know this feature exist.. Rory, just buy one!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qman 0 Posted June 8, 2004 For real man!! at least a 4 port Gv-250 cheap enought for you to try it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rory 0 Posted June 8, 2004 nowhere to buy it from though, no fl distributors carry geo. Plus id need a whole new PC to go with that. anyway, too many other expenses right now, jeep, new business, etc .. its endless.. If i bought everything I wanted to test, id have to be rich Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cesarg 0 Posted June 8, 2004 For real man!! at least a 4 port Gv-250 cheap enought for you to try it. herminshs where could I get a board of this to test it? and what price around is? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qman 0 Posted June 8, 2004 when it comes to Geo, talk to DVR_expert_australia. He's the supplier of these cards that all of us can trust, send him an PM, he;ll get back to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cctv_down_under 0 Posted June 8, 2004 Hermy!!! what you doing man.. you see your answer should hav e been ...I can get you one!!! and then you could have got it from me!! Your not pushy enough for a new yorker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
