needs help !!!!! please

[ank 0]

hi, everybody

 

i am trying to build, pc based dvr system for my c-store, i have following components for pc in my mind. intel DP35DP, intel q6600, corsair 4x1gb 4-4-4-12 (4gb), xfx gts 8800 320mb XXX edition, seagate sata-3 500 x 5 (2.5 terabyte), 650 watts power suppy, vista 64 or vista 32. I already build same configuration system 6 months back for home pc, only difference is motherboard which was 975 chipset with vista ultimate 64, and i am quite happy with my home pc which is happens to be media center pc also with ati 650 wonder.

 

intel dp35dp because intel recommand for media center pcs, i figures dvr is kinds of media center. Q6600 is really good for media encoding at really cheap price tag. seagate 4x500gb with raid 0 and 1x500gb for system. haven't decided vista 64 or vista 32 or even xp but kind lean towards 64 bits OS for avoiding 3gb limits on 32bit os.

 

important one i am making mind between 8 to 12 cams setup, and also atleast 240 fps recording, can't decide avermedia or geovision, i personally had good experince with avermedia's video capturing products. but when i started looking online for dvr cards every where is geovision, so must be good.

 

please all suggestion are welcome except motherboard nothing else except intel MB. because i had bad experience in past with asus, abit, msi all and quite happy with intel and their support. three years ago they changed my 915 with shipping and new processor without any cost.

[CollinR 0]

You are way WAY overkill on the specifications.

 

Intel motherboards are good, stick with that. Find one with ON BOARD video.

 

Get an E6600 CPU, quad core isn't needed.

 

1 GB RAM is plenty.

 

Go Windows XP Pro, Vista isn't ready yet.

 

 

Although there are many similarities between a media center or media client PC or theater PC and a CCTV DVR the biggest difference is NO display adapters offer hardware support for the encrypted video decompression. So don't spend the money on a nice video card, it won't be doing much of anything.

 

I have had much luck with the Intel GMA X3000 onboard graphics.

 

Geovision vs. Avermedia is a toss up, really depends on your specific requirements as each does certain things better then the other.

[ank 0]

thanks very much for really really quick reply, you are right, but all of those components doesn't really going to cost to much its under 1000 bucks with case and 20x dvd drive also. i am getting 35% discount from somebody. i will look for mb with integrated graphics. and OS is like i have Vista ultimate lic. copy some where i haven't used yet so.

 

i really appreciate if you help me decide dvr card for 12 cams with atleast 240 fps with good quality and also which cams i should look for like hi res for outside with night vision etc etc. please collinR

[rory 0]

With Geo, the more memory the better, but I just did a system with the Corsair DDR2-800 C4, 2GB Dual Channel, and an E6750, and it was super fast, all that you will ever need for a DVR. So essentially I dont think you need more than 2GB.

 

The 6750 is actually cheaper than the 6600, and its a faster and cooler CPU . Make sure to turn off the CPU Power thing in the Bios though, or it would run at under 2 ghz most of the time.

 

All you really need is something like a Sapphire Radeon 1550, its cheap, but has the DVI output you will want for the DVR. If you do use an ATI based card, dont use their drivers, use the Omega drivers.

 

If you dont need the DVI output (which just gives higher quality LIVE video), then onboard video is fine, at least once its not something like SIS.

 

Like Colin said, dont use Vista.

 

In days gone by, Geo would run great on next to nothing, but with versions 8.1+ you need a powerful system now.

[Guest]

With Geo, the more memory the better, but I just did a system with the Corsair DDR2-800 C4, 2GB Dual Channel, and an E6750, and it was super fast, all that you will ever need for a DVR. So essentially I dont think you need more than 2GB.

 

The 6750 is actually cheaper than the 6600, and its a faster and cooler CPU . Make sure to turn off the CPU Power thing in the Bios though, or it would run at under 2 ghz most of the time.

 

All you really need is something like a Sapphire Radeon 1550, its cheap, but has the DVI output you will want for the DVR. If you do use an ATI based card, dont use their drivers, use the Omega drivers.

 

If you dont need the DVI output (which just gives higher quality LIVE video), then onboard video is fine, at least once its not something like SIS.

 

Like Colin said, dont use Vista.

 

In days gone by, Geo would run great on next to nothing, but with versions 8.1+ you need a powerful system now.

 

 

Hi!

 

Why use Omega drivers instead of ATI Rory?

 

Also Rory is right about the 8.1+ version, and Geovision have released the product leaflet for 8.2 where they specify that 8.2 will use even more resources if you enable new features like IP cam and Video analytics that will come with 8.2

 

JD

[rory 0]

Hi!

 

Why use Omega drivers instead of ATI Rory?

 

Much faster ..

 

With the ATI drivers, at least if you want to make any changes to the quality and performance settings, you need that memory hungry catalyst control center which also needs that other system resources hungry .Net.

 

When tweaking the Windows XP PC for a DVR, there are services I turn off which are typically used by .Net. .Net can run without them, but it fills up the event log. Either way, until Geo starts to use .Net, we dont need it on the DVR. Use Omega and you will be most impressed with how much faster the system will run. Especially useful for the slower 1.8-2.4 Core 2 Duos.

 

And yes, 7.xx use to take perhaps under 1 minute to start up on my PC here, 8.1+ takes more like 3 minutes and even hangs the PC most of the time. I have a 2.0Ghz AMD. This is not a DVR specific PC though, just my home/development PC

[Guest]

Hi!

 

Why use Omega drivers instead of ATI Rory?

 

Much faster ..

 

With the ATI drivers, at least if you want to make any changes to the quality and performance settings, you need that memory hungry catalyst control center which also needs that other system resources hungry .Net.

 

When tweaking the Windows XP PC for a DVR, there are services I turn off which are typically used by .Net. .Net can run without them, but it fills up the event log. Either way, until Geo starts to use .Net, we dont need it on the DVR. Use Omega and you will be most impressed with how much faster the system will run. Especially useful for the slower 1.8-2.4 Core 2 Duos.

 

And yes, 7.xx use to take perhaps under 1 minute to start up on my PC here, 8.1+ takes more like 3 minutes and even hangs the PC most of the time. I have a 2.0Ghz AMD. This is not a DVR specific PC though, just my home/development PC

 

 

Thanks!

 

Where can I find the omega drivers for a ATI Radeon X1650 PCI Express card?

 

And then will I have a test!

 

I have jsut bought a new Demo & Test PC:

Chieftec BH-02 ATX Medium Tower Sort m/USB, Firewire og Audio, m/400W PSU

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R, P35, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, ICH9R, PCI-Ex16

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 8MB, BOXED m/vifte

Kingston DDR2 HyperX PC8500 2048MB CL5, Kit w/two matched HyperX 1GB DDR2

Microsoft Windows XP Pro SP2 Eng OEM

NEC DVD-brenner AD-7170S Black OEM SATA

Samsung SpinPoint T166 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM

Samsung SpinPoint T166 500GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM

Sapphire Radeon X1650PRO 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express,Tv-Out,2xDVI-I,Lite-Retail

 

So far it seems ok, only concern is that the 8 SATA slots is/can be in conflict when using GV-2004/GV-2008 and HikVision DS-40XXHC cards.

 

JD

[rory 0]

its the same download for all the cards.

http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php

 

Same motherboard I just used, but audio did not work with XP, properly, so suggested to disable that in the bios and use a separate audio card. I used 2GB DDR2-800 Corsair C4 though, and I had the 1550 card; but yours should work too

[ank 0]

thanks rory for reply, please help me decide geo card which is better 1120 or 1240 or 2x2008 with hardware compre. as you suggested i can cut down on pc config. and spend more on dvr card. i am not sure how many cams but 12 if i need more in future it has to be future proof. any online retail also for geovision dvr cards. please ...

[rory 0]

Hi

 

I wouldnt waste my time on the 1240

I havent used the 2004 or 2008 so cant comment on those either.

 

Okay combo cards, Couple things about them, they have the DSP monitor output and real time live video, which is nice.

 

The cons are the live quality does not appear to be as good as the GV800, also, when the combo cards are set to 720x480 you get black borders around the images in playback and remote video, sometimes in live also. And if you use the DSP Setup feature, then you loose Direct Draw overlay on the live video.

 

Work arounds, Use 640x480 instead, quality is not much if any difference, and you save alot of HDD space. Also, you can use the DSP output without the setup feature, just wont be able to set up the views and sequencing to it, and it will simply duplicate the DVRs display.

 

So that said, GV1120 is fine typically, if you can afford it, then the GV1480. Personally I prefer the GV800, but you will not get real time live video with that, and no DSP output. GV800 and GV1120 recording is the same.

 

Get a 16 channel one time, 12 channel is not worth it.

 

Rory

[CollinR 0]

Intel GMA x3000 has DVI and HDMI and dual head options. Google ADD-2 if you own one.

 

Also you can get one with an ICH9R southbridge allowing very good RAID 10 (below OS, but uses CPU).

[rory 0]

Intel GMA x3000 has DVI and HDMI and dual head options. Google ADD-2 if you own one.

 

Also you can get one with an ICH9R southbridge allowing very good RAID 10 (below OS, but uses CPU).

 

But then you need a micro ATX board to get the onboard video? At least in the case of Asus, GB, and MSI. $50 gets you the Saphire Radeon ATI 1550 256MB . Using the P35 Chipset I didnt see any full mobos with onboard video.

[a94cobra 0]

Win Xp pro

2gb

Geo 1480

Asus mb

Core 2 duo 6300

1tb storage

NVidia video

 

I used a P4 2.8ghz before with 1g ram. It was ok. I use this machine for light surfing and small spreadsheets and stuff sometimes as all other machines might be occupied. With the Core 2 and 2gb it runs the viewlog better and faster. 1tb on motion record with 12 cams(c-store) gets me 12-14 days video storage. Just using Mpeg4. 640x480 de-interlace. I chose cams that were 480-520tvl just to make sure I was getting good video. Research your Core 2's. Get one with the 4mb cache, just a much faster chip.

 

I figured quality was my main concern, I had to have the best card. Once you are spending some money, a little more and you get the 1480. If you are like me, you are trying to catch the action of someone(employee or customer) doing something. More fps the better. And don't buy a 12 cam card, like Rory said get 16. You can always not use a port, versus needing that other input for something you thought of later.

[ank 0]

thanks everybody is very helpful around here.

[kao 0]

Like others have said...the 8800 video card is way overkill. Go with an ATI or onboard depending on your live output.

On the RAM - I'd suggest sticking with XP OS and using 3 GB of RAM: 2x1GB and 2x512MB. That way you get to take advantage of the dual channel on both bank pairs.

I personally prefer Geo over Avermedia. But either one is good.