tranthao2000 0 Posted November 4, 2007 My plan is want to set up the PC system for my home, which will be 4 IR Cam and DVR card for the pc. Can someone give me any suggestion on the DVR card, good camera and what type of cable that I want to use? Any idea is counted? thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion 0 Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) I have a one camera system that you can hook up to your computer using powerline technology saving you from running wires. One Camera, Software, camera power supply, and a Powerline module $650.00. you can order an extra camera, power supply, and a powerline device for $429.00 as a set. or you can do this.. ____________________________________________________________ If you want to build it yourself then you can do a different product setup. http://www.stardvr.com/ECL-934.html or http://www.stardvr.com/ECL-9124.html ____________________________________________________________ Outdoor Bullet Camera http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-597_security_camera.html ____________________________________________________________ Power Supplys: http://eclipsecctv.com/Power_Supplies_Batteries.html ____________________________________________________________ Cables: http://eclipsecctv.com/WIR-RG59_bulk_coax.html http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-1110_connector.html http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-2110_connector.html ___________________________________________________________ If you are going to hook up an internet connection, then here is a how to: http://www.lanshack.com/make-cat5E.aspx ___________________________________________________________ DSL Info: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/faq ________________ ATT FAQS http://www.dslreports.com/faq/bellsouth ____________________ Brighthouse FAQS DSL FAQs http://www.dslreports.com/faqnew Road Runner HSI FAQs http://www.dslreports.com/faqnew Cable Modems and Wiring Issues http://www.dslreports.com/faq/cabletech Brighthouse pdf. Wall plate to splitter to modem to computer. http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/uploadedFiles/BHNDivisions/CFLDivision/rr_self_install_instructions.pdf Road Runner FAQS http://www.dslreports.com/faq/twcrr What is an MTU? http://www.dslreports.com/faq/7801 Finding the right code http://apps.cfl.mybrighthouse.com/customercare/code_table_COPY.Asp Programming the remote control http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/customer_care/remote/default.aspx __________________ Comcast FAQS http://www.comcast-ne.com/business/workplace-faq.html ___________________________________________________________ IP Chicken http://ipchicken.com/ Port Forward.com http://portforward.com/ Port Forward Guide http://portforward.com/guides.htm _______________________ Recommended Equipment form dyndns.com http://www.dyndns.com/support/clients/hardware/ http://www.dyndns.com/support/ http://www.dyndns.com/support/general.html http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/ __________________________________________________________ NON PC Based http://www.avtech.com.tw/english/product_13.htm _________________________________________________________ Tools http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/kill_a_watt_electric_usage_monitor_review http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-2060_crimp_tool.html http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-2030_wire_stripper.html http://eclipsecctv.com/ECL-2070_crimp_tool.html __________________________________________________________ HOW TO RUN WIRES IN AN ATTIC FLORIDA STYLE! http://www.cctvforum.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=48 HOW TO TROUBLESHOOT CAMERA PROBLEMS! http://www.cctvforum.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=42 HERE IS HOW TO FIX YOUR VIDEO SOURCE PROBLEMS! http://www.cctvforum.com/cms_view_article.php?aid=41 ___________________________________________________________ ANYTHING ELSE I CAN HELP YOU WITH? Edited November 5, 2007 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C7 in CA 0 Posted November 5, 2007 Very thorough answer scorpion. Thanx! You should make that post your signature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion 0 Posted November 5, 2007 Thank you very much! I had thought about posting more self help links in the ARTICLE SECTION. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UMDRanger 0 Posted November 5, 2007 Scorpion - I looked into the power line transmission a few months ago. What I read was that only one camera could be on per a circuit, and that the camera and receiver had to be on the same circuit. I looked into it because my wife's aunt has a garage near their driveway, some distance from the house. They wanted to put two cameras on the garage, one zoomed in at the driveway with IR illumination to get a plate, and the other to watch all the goodies in the garage. I thought the power line tranmission would be cheaper and easier for them than to buy and trench direct burial cat5e. Please correct me if I read a bad source. Frankly, I didn't look into it a whole lot. Mr. Thao - I recommend a Geovision card for your PC. But there are many different brands to choose from. I like Geovision because it is loaded with all the nifty features. You can run CAT5E and push 12 volts DC over two pairs, and use another pair for video. Get cheap Baluns from ebay (They work just fine) to be able to use cat5e for cctv purposes. Or you can get 18-2 with RG-59 Coax called "Siamese" cable. Be aware that the distance of the IR as claimed by many sellers/manufacturers is about half. So when it says "see 60 feet in complete darkness!" for all actual purposes it's about 30 feet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion 0 Posted November 5, 2007 Quote text: Scorpion - I looked into the power line transmission a few months ago. What I read was that only one camera could be on per a circuit, and that the camera and receiver had to be on the same circuit. I do not know what product you were using, and that may be true for a specific product. I prefer to hard wire my cameras, and then use wireless, or powerline as a solution provider. I have not used powerline cameras that much, and I would have to say I am definitely no "expert". With x10 it is possible to do multiple cameras I believe. There is a product out there sold on a popular site. The feed back is that it is junk! But then again if you look at the price, then you got what you bought! _____________________________________________________________ As to it being on the same circuit: This is a yes, and no situation. This is for the readers of this thread. There are two 120 Volt lines that come in to a house, or building. On the left of a power box you will have a 120 volt section, and in the middle will be the neutral section, and on the right you will have another 120 volt section. If you have a dryer that uses 220 Volts then you will wire it to the two 120 volt sections, creating a 220 Volt circuit. For the rest of the house, your wall plugs, and light wiring will be a attached to one of the two 120 volt sections, and the neutral section creating a 120 Volt circuit. Here is the challenge! If you have a power line camera on the left side, and you have a powerline receiver on the right side then they may not "see" each other! By placing the reciever on the same "side" as the powerline transmitter/camera than they can "see" each other! If you have them on the seprate sections then you will need a device called a coupler that takes the "signal" from the left section, and allows it to go to the right section. Now they can see each other even though they are on seperate sections. You may use branch if you prefer instead of the word section. http://www.x10pro.com/pro/catalog/platform.html#filtercoupler This is the same problem with X10 technology. This is why DIY have problems hooking up lamps, and controllers all over their house. Another problem is noise in the electrical lines. We use filters to get rid of noise that may block an X10 signal, or where it may create a false trigger signal. If you have any questions then you can email this guy at x10guru@hotmail.com. _____________________________________________________________ In TSCM (finding bugs, and wiretaps) this is a quick, and fast "check" to see if there are any red flags to bugging. If they do not use X10 automation, and you find one of the devices in the circuit breaker box then you may have a situation that you will want to investigate further. http://scorpiontheater.com/SPYGADGETS.aspx You can take audio, and modulate it to 300Mhz, and "overlay" this on top of the 120 volts. If you hook up a "debugging" device in to a wall socket you can "hear" the microphone, and the noise in the house that it is picking up. If you are afraid of this bugging technique relax!!!!! The signal can go out of your house, but it cannot travel farther down the powerline. It will stop at the transformer for your house. It is possible for a neighbor who is on the same side of a transformer to bug you, or a guy on a ladder on a pole who might be listening in. I am refering to cheap internet "toys", and there may be "professional" products that may over come this problem, but the costs would be astronomical, and out of reach of the average "joe" spying on his wife. _________________________________________________________ I would think (but I do not know) that you can put the signals on different frequencys, and still be able to accomplish multiple video signals. If you use IP cameras then you should be able to use ethernet over powerline to use multiple cameras. Bandwith being the issue to resolve for each project. http://www.corinex.com/web/docx.nsf/w/eng-corinex_powerline_ethernet_adapter ____________________________________________________________ I have a one camera system that you can hook up to your computer using powerline technology saving you from running wires. One Camera, Software, camera power supply, and a Powerline module $650.00. You can order an extra camera, power supply, and a powerline device for $429.00 as a set. I also have a camera hidden in a clock radio (covert) and it is great because there is only the power cord coming out of the clock radio, and it just plugs in to the wall! The signal is taker care of! Manage and control up to six cameras Save disk space with smart video management Create email and cell phone alerts Link to your remote viewing account Access online software and camera updates Run Command Center in the background with little CPU usage http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10460 It is not cheap, but then if it were to cost you more tearing out drywall, or if you are doing a two story home then this may be a solution! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tranthao2000 0 Posted November 7, 2007 thanks for all the suggestion. It is really helpful. Compare between the Cat5 for CCTV and the Coaxial cable RG59. Which one is better? Because the camera has to install for outdoor and the cat5 will get a lot of noise, right? I like the Geovision too, I never used but I read all the features and Geovision is known well name from most of the sites. Does the Geovision GV-800 good enough for 4 IR Cams. where can I get the good deal on it? thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion 0 Posted November 7, 2007 I would say do not choose a cable product. I would say look at the project verses budget and let that decide what cable to get. For a low budget, and a guick in, and out I would use the RG 59. If the cable run is longer then the longest length that the RG 59 can run then I would switch to the CAT 5. On real long runs you may not be able to put 12 volt power over the CAT 5 to power the camera. If you use 24 volt AC then it is possible to have ground loop issues. What to do, what to do??? I do not think you are going to run your cables more than 300 feet, so then I would stay with the RG 59. As to geovision: I would look at the vendors on this site (not the google ads). Digital Watch Guard _____________________________________________________ CollinR http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1624 _______________________________________________________ 501 http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3246 _______________________________________________________ Camera Genius http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3345 ________________________________________________________ Northern Video ________________________________________________________ Jissac http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3345 ________________________________________________________ Security Monster http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=988 ______________________________________________________ AV Consulting http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8 _____________________________________________________ VST Man http://www.cctvforum.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=494 _______________________________________________________ Too many to choose!!!!! Pick one in the state nearest You! Good Luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UMDRanger 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Mr. Thao, a 1000' box of CAT5E costs 1/2 the cost of a 1000' box of RG-59 Siamese. So in my opinion it is a cost saver. It is also easier to terminate for those not experienced with wiring CCTV. The Baluns have a BNC connector that will hook up to any CCTV camera. The CAT5E connects to the balun by punchdowns or screws, really simple. Being in the house, I doubt you will have problems pushing 12VDC from the power supply to the cameras over CAT5E. I'd buy the baluns off Ebay. Geovision - there are many sellers here on this site. I am sure one of them could give you a fair price, and tech support. CAT5E - I got some off ebay, but a seller here may have a good price as well. You'll also need a power supply to power the IR cameras. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
